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humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Mute feature: from team hubski

Good.

Does anyone here know how to make Hünkar Beğendi or how to cook Turkish food in general? My dad wants me to try making this and I've never had it before, so I need some consultation on how this is gonna go. I'm looking at these three recipes and trying to figure out what the "essence" of this dish is (as far as spices go).

Recipe 1

Recipe 2

Recipe 3





cgod  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No experience but I wish you luck. Seems exciting.

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks! I'll do a photo essay thing on it.

ButterflyEffect  ·  2591 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Did this ever happen? Did I share and completely forget about it?

humanodon  ·  2589 days ago  ·  link  ·  
user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And that is how you derail while doing good. wp;

nowaypablo  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

> Eggplant gets mad mushy and soft when you're cooking it, be careful cause it's gonna be the main flavor of any dish with it.

>If there's rice, use a lot of it.

> If there's meat, it's likely going to be like a 2 cubed inches apiece and you're gonna wanna drown it in whatever sauce they put on it, don't worry about whatever it's on top of. The meat will be chewy and very dry.

> Master your eggplantery

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The meat will be chewy and very dry.

We'll see about that . . .

nowaypablo  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If you can do something about it I'll grant you all the kudos in my possession, the fanciest mediterranean restaurants I've been to can't get (or don't try to get) their beef, pork and lamb dishes needing anything short of a machete to cut through.

b_b  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

For the last several years I've been drying my eggplant by slicing it about 1/2" thick and baking it at 450 for about 15 minutes. I like it way better than salting and pressing it.

lil  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

wasoxygen might know something about Turkish cooking . . . or perhaps has someone very close at hand who can make suggestions.

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh right! Any help would be good :)

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Cumol is from that part of the world, too.

Cumol  ·  3560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sounds like a straight forward recipe, we have a similar one, but it's mostly known in Persia, but I don't know the name.

Make sure that you actually burn the eggplant, like char this thing, the eggplant will be fine.

Had a similar dish that was done similarly but in addition to Greek yoghurt (Laban) and chopped mint leaves

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I bet you could do this in a crockpot, mostly. Segue! I have lately spent a lot of time experimenting with my crockpot and am going to buy this soon. I've gotten spoiled with not having to do any dishes or think about dinner right before I eat it or anything. I'm trying to stay vegetarian, though, so my slowcooking options are limited.

Anyway, do any of you slowcook? Not sure I've asked hubski about this before.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's just about all we goddamn do these days. Used to spend hours on elaborate meals, there's no time for that now. Which is a shame because it was one of my main methods of decompression.

Slow cooking is great but I'm getting to the point where I could use some meat that doesn't have to be put on a sandwich or served in a bowl.

humanodon I was deadly serious about those biscuits, though. They're happening tonight come hell or high water and I don't care how many children I have to neglect in the process of making them.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Have I got a tip for you.

Long story short, every Wednesday all the ingredients for 3 meals for two show up in a box. They generally take half an hour or so to make. All the mis en place is done, for the most part, and if you've got a knife, a pot, a pan, olive oil, salt and pepper you're there.

Comes to $10 a plate which, for largely-organic, artisan-grade stuff is pretty cool. Also I've started cooking with whacky shit like chayote squash and stuff. We're on Week 5 or so and loving it. Haven't ordered take-out since June.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh my god where has this been all my life. These ingredients look good, too. How is this so cheap?

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm making pork chops right now. I started 15 minutes ago and am waiting for water to boil (and leeks to bake).

I'll shoot a pompous food photo when I'm done.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

POMPOUS PHOOD FOTO

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Goddammit

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

See, I think it looks vaguely like a dog threw up a vegetable tray. It looks much better in person.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  

Remember that this is all under the sub-discussion of slow cooker food.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

FUCK YEAH

Know who makes the best goddamn Chicken en Mole?

Martha Mutherfucking Stewart.

Caveat - you have to add about 4 T of cocoa powder. I use this shit. And where it says "one large chipotle in adobo" I go 5. We tried 7 once (I hate abandoning two chipotles in the can) but it was...challengingly hot.

Serve on rice with greek yogurt and scallions and guacamole and chips.

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    And where it says "one large chipotle in adobo" I go 5.

ladies and gents the southwest

man, this thread. hubski is so back

thenewgreen  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Growing up, chicken en mole was a treat in our family. Whenever my mom went to mexico, she came back with this:

It's supposed to be used for hot chocolate, but she used it for mole too. It was awesome stuff. I should probably learn that family recipe.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I should probably SHARE that family recipe.

FTFY

c'mon, man, throw me a bone. I'm up in this bitch making Martha Stewart Mole.

(although truth be told Ibarra ain't no thing. You can get it at any Kroger-chain grocery store up and down the west coast and into the Rockies. It's about 90% cheap-ass cane sugar. She's probably got some other eldritch magic you aren't sharing)

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I believe it. Have one of her cookbooks and a lot of the stuff in it is stupid good. Will try this.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm too broken up over my biscuits right now... I don't want to see anybody else's success...

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Drag, man! Whassup with your biscuits?

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

See pic below. Fucking pastries are the bane of my existence goddamn it butter

_refugee_  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can do pastry, let's talk

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is pretty cool. Do you get surprised every time, or what? How come chayote is wacky? Kinda ugly, but it don't taste like much . . .

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, my wife signed up for it so it's a complete and utter surprise to me. If I were on the mailing list it wouldn't be.

Chayote may be old hat for you, but I grew up in a place without, like, sushi. When an Olive Garden opened up two hours away it had a 2-month wait list. Suffice it to say it's not an ingredient I've ever sought out, so being given a path to understanding has been nice.

We did catfish, too. I was traumatized by catfish as a youth because my family does an annual catfish fry. The problem being they catch their catfish from Elephant Butte Reservoir where the catfish mostly feed on sewage and corpses. As it turns out, they ain't half bad with a proper diet!

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    When an Olive Garden opened up two hours away it had a 2-month wait list.

. . . I . . . see your point.

    The problem being they catch their catfish from Elephant Butte Reservoir where the catfish mostly feed on sewage and corpses.

I'm pretty sure that this is just what catfish eat. My ex wouldn't eat catfish for the same exact reason, but personally I am a catfish fan and will eat it 8/10 times when given the opportunity. I have this thing about eating eggs though. Corpse-eating fish are no problem, turtles are no problem, snakes are no problem, congealed blood is no problem, boiled, chopped goat testicles were . . . doable but man oh man, eggs are the grossest thing ever to me. Everyone's got their thing I guess.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  
humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm. Those "customers also bought . . ." selections are rather curious, but I may give it a shot. Dan Ariely needs to write more books. If he wrote that book, I wouldn't hesitate to read it.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I read the free sample and didn't go further, primarily 'cuz it was full price. As I read it, I wished it were written by Mary Roach.

Whom you might also dig.

_refugee_  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I did not enjoy Mary roach.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Interesting. Care to expand?

_refugee_  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It was a while ago. I attempted to read "Stiff." I didn't finish I'm pretty sure. I think my opinion of Roach suffered as I had recently read both Complications and possibly also Better by Atul Gawande and I found I enjoyed his writing style much more, while bth authors were discussing similar subject matter (bodies, medicine). The book seemed "pop"-py to me. It was not as bad as Gladwell (I read "Blink" and hated it) but I remember feeling as if the subject could have been covered better by others.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

See, and I haven't read Stiff and don't want to. Packing for Mars is all I got - and it's very poppy. But it's an "everything you wanted to know about space travel but were afraid to ask" manual that spends a chapter and a half on the toilet on the space station and "poppy" is the way to go.

_refugee_  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Even if you had read it, we are allowed to disagree, Obi-wan.

I'm reading Ariely on the toilet. I find him slightly redundant so far but maybe he's just hammering home important points.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, but we don't very often, thus I was searching for the disconnect.

_refugee_  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Poor mobile service is eating this post but my affection for Gawande may make it difficult for other similar authors to succeed.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  
_refugee_  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Complications is (somewhat sadly) definitely better than Better. There was supposed to be a third but it looks like that never came out. The Checklist Manifesto I found valuable, but it expands beyond the realm of medicine - so in that way very different from better. I would pick either Checklist or Complications, I am wondering if you would prefer Checklist because it's broader - but Complications is very good.

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, this looks promising. Thanks!

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha, you can make your own "Bisquik" and keep it in plastic bags. Hell, you can even cut the butter in an keep it in the fridge (not the freezer; ice crystals will fuck up your fat!) until you use it, if you plan on eating lots of biscuits.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

RRRRRRRRGH NOOOOOOOOOOO butter strikes again ARGH

What the fuck are these, these are flapjacks, not biscuits. I blame my sous chef.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They're going to be delicious. They're also perfect for putting under a serving of beef stew.

In the future, you might have better luck with drop biscuits. They're a lot less execution-dependent, look nice and rustic no matter what you do, and taste just the same. Nice'n'crumbly'n'salty'n'good.

Or cornbread.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They are actually plenty decent. Hard to go wrong with that much butter and cream. Next time it's either drop biscuits or sweet potato biscuits, courtesy of humanodon's post from yesterday.

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha!

Ok, troubleshooting (in no order):

1. Was your baking powder fresh?

2. How sandy was your flour mix after cutting the butter into it?

3. How did you roll them out?

4. Did you fold the rolled out dough into thirds before rolling it out again?

5. Did you use a low protein (soft) flour?

6. How cold was the butter?

Uh, I'm sure there are more ways to end up with low-rise biscuits. I'll remember more later.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

1. baking powder was so far away from fresh 2. recipe said marble-sized butter chunks, so that's what we did 3. I think this is the problem 4. yeah, it was folded 5. all-purpose- almost bought cake flour for the decreased protein but the recipe said either or 6. this was also the problem

So I think it comes down to butter. I had it super-cold (not frozen), but I was working next to the oven which is really poorly insulated and sheds heat like a mother. Also no A/C in the house, because this house is a 70 year old disaster. So we worked as fast as we could, but that dough gets warm even faster. Also, I think I rolled it too thin- recipe said half an inch, it was less. Put it together, you have a thin dough that heats through at the drop of a hat next to an oven that doubles as our main heating element in the winter. DOOMED.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In addition to humanodon's fine advice, I will also add:

1) The more you work any kind of dough, the tougher it will get. You want to go with the absolute minimum.

2) Butter should be cold-cold. Super-cold isn't that important. Working quickly is. You should go from ingredients to rolling in about 4-5 minutes tops.

3) I know Alton Brown hates the shit out of "uni-taskers" (but have you ever seen his measuring cups? WTF) but a pastry cutter is impossibly handy if you're going to make pastry. We've got a wire one very like this. I guess Oxo has a fancier one for ten bucks. Never used it. "Marble sized chunks" is bullshit. you want aquarium gravel or smaller, and you can't get that without a pastry cutter.

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Those biscuits may be doomed, but notes can be taken for next time.

Next time, once the butter is cut in to the flour, throw it in the freezer for half an hour. Then pull it out and add your buttermilk or milk, mix it real gently, turn it out, but work it as little as possible. I like to just pat it out, carefully fold it over itself and then gently pat it out again before cutting the biscuits.

Working with butter can definitely be a pain in the ass.

thenewgreen  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, thanks for the laugh. Still, biscuit-cakes might taste damn good. How are they?

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

...they taste delicious.

thenewgreen  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, there you go. That said, the height comes from air being in there, right? So are they dense? You may just have a kick-ass new creation on your hands. I see a future in this for you.

Come dine at Biscuitcakes -Honestly, it's a solid name for a breakfast/brunch place. -I'll only ask for 5% of the annual gross for naming rights.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We're gonna put Pancake House out of business.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    cut the butter in an keep it in the fridge (not the freezer; ice crystals will fuck up your fat!)

People pay a lot of lip service to yeast, but butter is way more the mysterious force in my book. Yeast follows the laws of biology and chemistry. Butter's rules are arbitrary and tempramental. Attempt at pastry dough still goes down as my most catastrophic culinary failure to date.

_refugee_  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Once I catastrophically failed at croissants; next time, same recipe, great success. I have chocolate chip cookie recipes whose success is entirely dependent on butter temperature. It's incredibly important and harder to gauge. Yeast is easy.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Humidity counts. Way more than you think. I learned a cool trick from my wife:

it's just butter and flour. They're cheap. Make double the recipe and if you fuck up the first half, throw it away and start over.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have the utmost respect for pastry chefs given how much more exacting their work has to be than any other kind of chef. They definitely get the short end of the food-respect stick.

I've forgone choc chip cookie heartache by just melting the butter and using it that way. That might sound like sacrilege but it comes straight from Cooks Illustrated and those guys have a kitchen lab and wear bow ties even when it's not prom 1989 so, you know, they're pretty serious.

Is the croissant success reproduceable now? Or is it like leave it up to the gods to decide whether my breakfast makes me sad?

_refugee_  ·  3560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's about a 66% "probably going to be able to make this work" and 34% "hold your breath/strap on your knickers."

ghostoffuffle  ·  3559 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Pastry as metaphor for life

thenewgreen  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    They're happening tonight come hell or high water and I don't care how many children I have to neglect in the process of making them.
that's hilarious. Your oldest is old enough that you could involve her in the process though, right?
ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Already conscripted her.

thenewgreen  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well done! Baking with my daughter is both one of the most enjoyable and frustrating things I do these days. Man oh man I had forgotten how powerful the allure of dipping your finger in the bowl is.

Last time we baked, it was blueberry muffins. At one point I looked over at her and she was holding a lukewarm stick of butter in her hands, attempting handing it to me. Such a mess. She has a chef's coat and everything. It's pretty damn cute.

Good luck with those biscuits. Have fun.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hah, I know what you mean. Every time my daughter helps, it ends in adorable flames. But man, chef's hat and coat? That must take it to a whole new level...

cgod  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

1 hour away from a pot roast.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Large numbers of slow-cooked meals can be executed in a pressure cooker, I've found. Cuts down on the necessary deliberation. If the sauce is thick it might not work; I tried chicken en mole in the pressure cooker and it was a disaster. Beans, though? You can do a pot of beans in 45 minutes.

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right now I have room for about negative ten appliances (part of the slowcook appeal) but I'ma jump all over that, especially for beans, when I move. I'd eat beans with every meal if it was even semi-practical.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, I feel you. This place is packed tight like the hold of an ocean-going sailboat.

That said, my set functions admirably as a stock pot, functions admirably as a fry pan, and I never got a veggie basket which saved me the trouble of throwing it away. So if you don't like your stockpot and frying pan, hey, upgrade.

lil  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're not the only one who can cook slowly!

Just made an outstanding chili with cans of both red and white kidney beans, mushrooms, leek!!, fresh tomatos, can of diced tomato, garlic, celery, red and green peppers, onion, shallot, frozen peas and corn added last, and chili powder. (Meat optional).

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That sounds GOOD although I hope you cooked the kidney beans previously to avoid the toxins! Also I don't like mushrooms at all, wish I did, they'd go in everything.

b_b  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

OK, so I said I wasn't replying to anything on this thread, but I can't stand it anymore. You don't like mushrooms? They're a whole kingdom of foods. That's like saying, "I don't like plants." I'm not normally one to dismiss any one else's taste, but I think you have to branch out a bit. There are so many varied and unique mushrooms out there. A shitake tastes nothing like a potobello tastes nothing like a elephant ear tastes nothing like button tastes nothing like a 'shroom that gets you high. It a beautiful class of edibles, and I hope you consider one day giving it another shot.

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, I'm not the biggest fan of the texture, which I would hazard a guess is pretty standard. Although the taste isn't my favorite either.

Honestly I don't know a damn thing about mushrooms, but I've never met one I liked. Well, except - well. But you're right that I'll have to branch out. Putting them in a stir fry is probably a good start.

kleinbl00  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have made this recipe a dozen times.

Find a party. Make these. If you don't like them, everyone else will eat them with wanton abandon.

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can already picture breaking this out at a family reunion sometime. It'll be beautiful because the entire family a) knows I hate mushrooms and b) thinks I can't cook.

_refugee_  ·  3555 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fuck, I'm making these this weekend for myself because why not? This looks delicious. Can I add bacon somewhere

I mean, my fatassery should not be underestimated by the hub.

kleinbl00  ·  3555 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I never have. Doesn't mean you can't.

Although, PROTIP: Add bacon and it's white trash. Add pancetta? FRU FRU

thenewgreen  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Start here. I promise that you'll not be disappointed.

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I love me some veggies, but you can't call them meatballs. Say it with me: meat (pause) balls. What's wrong here?

Plus, bonus, one of my favorite hubski comments.

thenewgreen  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ha. That is classic cliffelam humor right there.

thenewgreen  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think it's hilarious that this is what drew you out of your self-imposed post exile. That said, I fully agree; mushrooms are such a wonderful food and are full of variety. We found almost a pound of morels in our backyard this spring and the feast it provided us was amazing.

I don't like white onions, but I'll cook with shallots all day long. -Same basic family, two different flavors. Flag -good luck overcoming this handicap.

_refugee_  ·  3555 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How do you feel about scallions? I generally consider them the middleman between onions and shallots.

thenewgreen  ·  3555 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not a fan, mostly because they're used uncooked as garnish or because they ruin otherwise nice sushi rolls.

humanodon  ·  3555 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They're great when cooking a fish in foil though.

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, like chicken-of-the-woods. I'm gonna get some of these sometime, I'm resolute in that.

Edit:

Wrong mushroom!

lil  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

edit: "cans of" -- but there might still be toxins... or maybe I've been eating too much of it.

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh I gotcha. No toxins there. Wish beans were a little quicker to cook since I hate buying canned ones when bags are so cheap. Maybe need to follow kb's advice with a pressure cooker.

lil  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I often soak the beans for 24 hours. Put them in the slow cooker on low to soak overnight.

humanodon  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, the cooking is not what worries me, it's that I'm not familiar with the flavor palette of Turkish food. I feel like I need to get a better idea so I can interpret rather than reinvent.

But yeah, I slowcook. Got a nice pork shoulder I'm planning on putting in the crockpot, just working out the details. Can't say I've done much vegetarian in a crockpot, but I bet some Indian dishes would work well.

user-inactivated  ·  3561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah curries, minestrone, stuff like that.