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_refugee_  ·  3 days ago  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Free speech is exhausting

You don't have to tolerate hate speech. You can argue against it or you can go somewhere it can no longer reach you.

You aren't required to engage with speech of any form, hate or otherwise.

OP may feel he has a moral or personal obligation to speak up against certain kinds of hate speech. Kudos to OP, he is doing a valuable service. However, that's his choice and it's not mandated by any entity and he can opt out at any time.

You aren't required to enter a debate with hate speech. You aren't required to accept hate speech. You aren't required to believe it.

Hate speech is protected because it is speech, and because defining sub-types of speech into categories like "hate speech" cannot in any way be imagined as objective. And if we start only protecting subjective sub-categories of speech we are in for a much bigger world of trouble than having to hear the college religious nut go off about abortions again.

War - this is honestly more directly aimed at you, tbh.

You don't have to engage in free speech or provide responses to hate speech. Some would say that not reacting, that ignoring hate speech, denying it an audience, is the best thing that you can do.

I don't agree. I think it is vital to speak up against perceived wrongs; we all have our own set, but for instance, say something blatantly racist or sexist in my eyesight and I'm going to call you out on it.

Except you're totally right. It's exhausting. Sometimes you want to just have a conversation. Sometimes you just want to vent about your day. Sometimes you want to just feel calm, not incited to anger, not riled up. Sometimes you want to just walk away. The more standing up against hate speech you do the more exhausted you get.

But you are standing up because you choose to stand up because you see an injustice and refuse to let it stand. To me that is real character. It is a person with no skin on the line other than being a witness who says, "You know what? No. I will not be a witness to this, I will not let this stand." You are standing up because you know it sucks but someone has to do it, you know someone has to do it, and you aren't going to sit on your ass looking around for "someone." You'd sit on your ass forever if you did that.

Having character, having things that you as a person stand for, and then backing those morals and beliefs up with frequent refusals to tolerate those who propagate ideas and lifestyles which are completely counter to those morals? That is exhausting. Especially if you are a decent person who sees nuance in things and doesn't want to fight people all the time. Who wants to like people, give them the benefit of the doubt, who doesn't want to be seen as aggressive or antagonistic or "that fucking annoying fucker, bringing up race arguments again." (I imagine the Westboro Baptists do not find themselves particularly exhausted at the end of the day; I imagine they cackle with glee, actually.)

It is exhausting to stand up for what you believe in. But the only reason you are able to do so is because of free speech.

We cannot limit speech based on our feelings about the content because what will end up happening is that others will limit our speech because of our feelings and our content. We can only choose whether or not to tolerate it; to serve as an audience; to speak up, debate, or challenge it.

There are users here who have left because they got tired of standing up. More's the pity: no one has stepped in to fill their shoes. And that's what happens when voices of dissent get beaten down into silence, they stepped all over, forced to repeat themselves and their arguments again and again, forced to reduce their existence to constantly arguing with different bigots over the same shit every day because guess what? There will always be more bigots. There will always be more innocent ignoramuses.

It fuckin' sucks.

All I can say is shoulder on and be the voice of dissent and keep being it. Because the voices of dissent are vital, and few, and necessary.

cgod  ·  7 days ago  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: What makes an atheist love religious music?

I think this fella's fondness for religious music is a bit shallow. Religious music is beautiful because it speaks of an all encompassing love, solace, and forgiveness from a power so much more potent than the powers of man that it has to leave one grasping to touch it's hem.

I don't have a single shred of faith but would that I did. What comfort it would be to have a vessel to put all my shame, fear and doubt into. I'm jealous of those who have found such solace.

I could put up more and better but I'm pretty tired and can't seem to get neurons to fire.

tacocat  ·  12 days ago  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Monthy Morale Menagerie 2016 - January Check-Inx 2

I haven't had a drink since January 4th. I spent the first week of the year in the hospital for depression and detox. One month is the longest I've ever gone and I'm about to break my record.

They don't own a theme or video format, they own a trademark, which falls under an entirely different set of rules from copyrights and patents. Any videos being taken down on YouTube because the Fine Bros filed a copyright claim is entirely the fault of YouTube for having a shit copyright system. If those videos had been published on any other website, the chances of them having been brought down is slim. Furthermore, any copyright claim against other reaction based videos in a court of law would have ended poorly for the Fine Bros.

A trademark is an identifier. For example, Coca Cola and Pepsi both make a drink called cola. But Coca Cola can't use any of the names, logos, slogans, etc that Pepsi uses as part of its business nor can Pepsi use Coca Cola's names, logos, slogans, etc. If companies were allowed to use each others identifiers, then consumers would quickly become confused as to which company they were buying from.

Likewise, if you created a show on YouTube, for monetary purposes, which depicted children reacting to various cultural memes and entitled the show "Kids React", then the Fine Bros would ABSOLUTELY have the right to order you to change the name of the show. If, however, you entitled the show "Children Respond", and used none of the logos, slogans, artwork, etc that the Fine Bros use in "Kids React", then the Fine Bros wouldn't be able to do shit to stop you (legally, as stated earlier, YouTube's copyright system is shit).

Furthermore, trademark law is not explicitly in the US Constitution. In 1879, the Supreme Court ruled in the Trade Mark Cases that the Copyright Clause in no way gives Congress the power to regulate trademarks, instead, Congress enforces trademarks via the Commerce Clause which means the First Amendment applies in full. On top of that, there are provisions in US law allowing for fair use of trademarks. Because trademarks are more limited than copyrights, the standards for fair use much lower. The use of someone else's trademark to accurately describe your product or to refer to a product/service which is trademarked are both considered fair use.

In summary, while we can all agree that the Fine Bros were behaving in an absurd way, YouTube's copyright system is the real villain here as it is easily used by some content producers to shut down competition. Chances are good that none of the Fine Bros copyright claims would have held up in court. Furthermore, the fact that the Fine Bros own a trademark on the names of their shows is no more evil than Canonical Ltd owning a trademark on the African word "ubuntu" (Registration number is 4578010) or Microsoft having a trademark on the word "windows" (Registration number is 4407849).

If you're still concerned about possible First Amendment issues, I recommend you read Rogers v. Grimaldi. You only have to read the background and section I under discussion. TL;DR The court did an amazing job balancing the First Amendment and the Lanham Act (trademark law).

veen  ·  14 days ago  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: 160th Weekly "Share Some Music You've Been Into Lately" Thread

Digging this electronic piece:

elizabeth  ·  25 days ago  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 20, 2016

Got an email this morning about registering a tradestone profile as a vendor for Urban Outfitters, it's a bit frustrating that things are happening right before we leave to Asia for 4 months, but we'll figure it out, this is huge :D

Speaking of Asia, I'm finally done with my site: http://elizabethtravels.com/

I even filmed a little intro video! I'm not a huge expert on web design and SEO so if any of you has suggestions on improvements, I'll be super happy.

Looks like a lot of progress but since I'm out of school, I've been feeling really unproductive. I went and bought a notebook and started reading Getting things Done, hopefully with a system I will somehow make things better :)

bfv  ·  13 days ago  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: 160th Weekly "Share Some Music You've Been Into Lately" Thread

Aw, but half the fun of introducing people to music is meeting them where they are, and metal is pretty unique in that there is something adjacent to where anyone is. Electronic music? Industrial metal is there for you. Classic rock? The stoners have you covered. Go to renaissance festivals? Folk metal loves you and wants you to be happy. Hear "thac0" and don't think "mexican food"? Every power metal band ever is right there with you. Hip-Hop? Not all nu metal sucks.