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do these articles need to be written after every time some college students or mysterious internet commenters say something stupid? what is there left to say? even if you limit your array of opinions to "just hubski", everything i might have posted here 'sbeen done before and multiple times
The keyword is "between". If you cut a burrito in half, the ingredients wouldn't be contained between the two halves. They'd just be inside each half, without the other half being necessary.
Open faced sandwiches are another thing entirely. They share more in common with toast than they do proper sandwiches. The crucial part of a sandwich is how it contains things. Open faced sandwiches don't contain, they support. They're the location that other things rest on. A sandwich, generally speaking (looking at you, hot dogs and some subs), should be able to be inverted.
The issue here is that the word "sandwich" has two meanings. The first one, shit between bread (cgod), is the one I've been talking about. The second one is used like you were saying: things between other things. Ice cream sandwiches (cookies) are the best example I can think of. Notice though how when you hear the word "sandwich" by itself, you always think of the first use - a bread something. That might be the key right there.
The issue is that the "clear sides" of a gyro are made up of one piece of flatbread that's folded around some meat and veg. A gyro is essentially a wrap that doesn't wrap around all the way. Sure, it has distinct sides. But I challenge anybody to find the top and bottom halves of a gyro.
The crucial difference between hot dog buns, sub buns, and other things similar to them is the cut. The cut gives the bun sandwich-like definition. A fold can approximate it, but a folded piece of bread is inherently unstable. It needs to be held shut, or it reverts to just "flatbread with toppings". You can complete the fold by rolling both sides together - but then you're back at a wrap again.
Good points though. If I can find a better definition, I will.
Finally, a post for me. I've actually spent a considerable amount of time trying to come up with a basic definition of a sandwich. I ran into some problems too, but different ones than the ones you mentioned. The solution I found most satisfying was defining a sandwich as "a set of ingredients contained between two distinct 'halves' of a bread product." This was the best (and simplest) definition to me for these reasons:
* It excludes wraps, burritos, gyros, and other similar products (violates the 'distinct halves' section)
* It includes sub sandwiches and other sandwiches that have partially connected halves (still 'distinct')
* It excludes toast, flatbreads, and other nonsandwich bread-based foods.
The main problem with my definition is that it excludes open-faced sandwiches. I don't personally consider an open-faced sandwich to be a sandwich, but people that do would probably want to create their own definition. I also initially took issue with defining burgers and hot dogs as sandwiches, but I resolved that by making "burgers" and "hot dogs" subsets of the main "sandwich" set.
I didn't bother to define what bread was. Maybe that should be the next thing I try to do.
the idea is that it isn't a sideshow when it's you