Recently, I've had a small but surprisingly stingy incident here on Hubski: what was intended as a comment meaningless beyond what it stated was recepted as a dire offence. If Hubski is as small a town as I was lead to believe it is, you'll know the exact comment I'm talking about without looking at the linked pages.
My reply to the angry comment of kleinbl00's - which was rightfully described as childish behavior - got me thinking very hard. Indeed, instead of launching into a reasonable argument I acted upon the will of my ego and attacked the person whom I perceived as the attacker on my self at the time. It was most irresponsible and arrogant of me, as I realized with time: to submit to my darker side and stand greedy for admiration and respect where there couldn't possibly be had one.
I've been lying to myself for years about how great I must be because others didn't notice me: I would tell myself afterwards that I wouldn't need their approval anyway because I'm too clever, or too good of a writer, or too knowledgeable about human behavior and so on anyway. It seemed fine to my at the time because I had no other perspective; I'm still questioning whether it is responsible of me to put blame onto the situation and none onto the person I was for not choosing to go a different path - after all, I, being a human, had free will.
However, the truth was - and still is - that I'm terrified, scared shitless of others' disapproval and nonacceptance. It is clear to me now that I don't have any friends not because I'm so grand and marvellous, but because everytime I think of meeting someone new, the inside of me reaches for its defence blanket and fountains reasons for not to do that because it may - may - lead to someone thinking funny of me. Ridiculous! I came to crave attention so hardly that, when I received none, I reinforced the false version of reality in my head where I'm a fantastic person who's capable of achieving everything. I used to fantasize about being in those different situations where I'm the best or the worst I can be - both of which I never dared to reach to be before - and act upon almost supernatural circumstances where I'd be able to show myself to be a hero, or a monster, or a moral-less badass.
It sounds so ludicrious when you say it out loud, yet it made perfect sense to me: of course I would fantasize! What else there is to do? I want to be something more - and there's no other way to achieve it, right? I led myself away from the answer for so long and with so much effort that I almost forgot of the person I am: a scared, selfish kid in the body of a man who can't for the life of his do anything good if it means talking to somebody or even walking into someone's field of attention. By acting upon the douchebag fantasy of myself I hid the simple fact: that I don't have the love I want, and I want it hard.
Bill Hicks famously said: "[It's] a simple choice <..> between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one". I've been wondering about these words for months ever since I heard them: they made sense to me, for I've always striven to be a better person, to give love I was never given - and yet, I never applied them to myself because they didn't make sense to the ego that got so fat off the fears I acted upon that I couldn't possibly move from under it by myself. Gladfully, I've met a person online that had inspired me in a few minutes to be what I always wanted to be.
Granted, Markiplier will probably never know me, but I'm glad I came to know him through his videos, for he's one of the kindest and most sincere people I've seen in my life. The way he speaks to his subscribers is of utmost respect and friendliness, something I've never encountered; what moved me the most was when I've learned through TV Tropes that Mark is a pacifist, describing himself not fighting back when he had all reasons to as it not being a person he wanted to be. It struck a chord somewhere inside: he didn't fight - something I've been fantasizing about a lot - because he wanted to be better than it.
It's hard to express what I feel because I've never had a chance to do so properly, but I will do my best. I find such an example of outstanding humanity to be amazing in the most emotional sense of the word. His living ethics are of the highest standard, and because of it, he was a great inspiration to my own personal growth; following the Marianne Williamson's quote, by shining himself he let me shine as well, and I'm most grateful for it. If I could ever have a chance to thank Mark in person, I would do so eagerly, for I find it to be the most sincere and fullsome form of gratitude, and it would be the least I can do for him in return.
Thanks both to Markiplier and coffeesp00ns, both online persons whom I will most likely never meet in reality, I now adhere to Love the way Bill Hicks saw it. I shall not bow to Fear, and when I am afraid, I will remember that Love, that the long-term good that I do for myself and others (for I must love myself as I do others, not loathe myself while putting others on pedestal), is more important to me. It is an amazing transformation of mind, and I'm eternally grateful to both of the persons who caused it because the inspiration and the result of it means a lot to me.
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I also feel the need to address the issue with kleinbl00, who caused the series of events in the first place. While I'm grateful for the events that led me to this beautiful place of mind, I find it more important to express what I find about the Internet person whom quite a few seem to adore and respect.
So far, kleinbl00 failed to provide reason and wisdom that are worth respecting. So far, from them I've seen only selfish anger and confidence bordering on arrogance in the field that they are told to be very skilled it and recognized for it. I've seen failure to provide properly addressed and supported arguments any discussion deserves; in their stead, I saw the puffed chest of an offended person.
It is not to say that I've been impecable in the overly mentioned discussion, either - the fact that I've already acknowledged. However, it is from Love that I will not bow to whom is supposed to be a professional, for I will not tolerate arrogance and ignorance, the two pillars of any violence, of any conflict and of any war. "That which can be destroyed by the truth should be", said P. C. Hodgell, and I believe in the principle wholeheartedly. I also do not believe in credit of authority when it concerns non-life-threatening matters: one has to deserve my respect before being given it, for I am as important to consider as anybody, no better and no worse.
I offer no apology for what I said to kleinbl00 as a reply to his angry answer, for the message of it still holds true, even though today I would phrase it differently; I will offer radical opinions if I consider them necessary for a better living of anybody unless it requires an expense of someone else, no matter what others think of me. This, too, I shall do from Love, for many are too shy or too scared to talk about some things; I shall not be, and I shall be hated for what I say, and I shall wear the hatred with pride, for it has replaced ignorance with knowledge.
So, to the small town of Hubski I declare: no one will swear and hiss me into submission, no matter how big their head, especially when I'm expressing something I hold dear and believe in to the deepest of my soul. If you want my respect, you shall do better than that, accompanied with reason and the credit of respect that every human being deserves simply for being alive.
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EDIT: P.S. Many of the commenters have pointed out the self-centered vanity with which I derogate kleinbl00. They have all been correct: I've been overcome with pride and wanted to defend my ego from harm, as if there was any, and it let to disrespect and arrogance which I preached against in the same post.
I've offered kleinbl00 a private message of apology, though I will perfectly understand if it won't be accepted, for I've done things to deserve disrespect on the matter. I used their image to stand up for myself, which is very disrespectful of me, and it is not a person I want to be.
I'm glad I did stand up, for it gave me the momentum I needed to kickstart the mental transformation, but I've made a mistake of assuming the invulnerability of those beyond the screen, on the other side of the Internet; I forgot that there are living people - the people like myself, with feelings and minds of their own - beyond the nicknames.
Moreover, I used the declaration of such rightful things as lack of tolerance for ignorance and arrogance to hide behind, to shield my ego from humiliation that accepting a mistake will inevitably lead to. I'm not proud of it - in fact, I am ashamed of doing such a thing, of compromising not only my beliefs, but a high principle of living that I accept for such a silly and pointless action.
Clearly, I've made mistakes, and I have to accept that. Living in a bubble hasn't done me any good, so as I stand up and stand proud, I stand near what I've done, good or bad.
Thank you for the support and for pointing out my own ignorance and arrogance.
Lord Mercy. You need to relax. So you insulted kleinbl00. So he in retaliation insulted you. Okay. Fine. That happens. It's part of life. Learn from it what you need to, then let it go. The moment has passed and dwelling on it and paining over it isn't going to get you anywhere. Learn to learn and then let go. Not only will you become more mindful, but you'll find life easier to deal with in the long run.
Yeah, the whole "I choose to make a meta post instead of try to smooth things over" approach is a peculiar strategy. 20 years of Internet warfare have taught me one thing: if you prick an asshole and they act wounded and try to smooth things over, they weren't really an asshole and you can both move on with greater understanding and affinity. If you prick an asshole and they double down, you just saved yourself 10 rounds of being polite to an asshole.
Coming soon: post list of people who pick fights with kleinbl00. This may be better than the "...Yo" post list.
I have every expectation that it will make me look GREAT. not. Seriously, though - there's this bizarre phenomenon that happens when people navigate from a big website to a small one. The big website discourse is generally "I HAVE AN OPINION!" "I disagree with your opinion." "YOU ARE AN ASSCAMEL!" "DIAFN00B!" the end. The small website discourse goes "I HAVE AN OPINION!" "I disagree with your opinion." "YOU ARE AN ASSCAMEL!" "Uhm... this isn't how I choose to spend my time. Good day." ...which leaves the transplant grasping for combat because they just aren't sure what to do, so they decide that the problem was Teh Dramaz wasn't big enough so they double down. Most of them go away after a week or so; the fact that Hubski is a lousy place for flame wars leaves a certain segment of the internet completely at sea. But before they get there, we're left dealing with a group of people that simply don't know how to de-escalate an argument.
I've definitely been having to keep reigns on those knee-jerk reactionary type responses, having migrated over here from Reddit in the past week. I tell myself: Take a moment, breathe. Do not engage the trolls. Be nice. Don't take it personally. This website or the things said on it don't constitute the entirety of your reality.
More importantly: if you've been misunderstood, explain yourself. If you feel insulted, say that you feel insulted. If the person meant to insult you, you know you can ignore each other peacefully. If they didn't, there's nothing to build friendship quite like working through a misunderstanding.
Do you not feel like it may be beneficial to respond with the knowledge of how to deal with it? I'm not talking about myself - I fucked up - but others are simply doing their best and don't know any better yet. If one has the beneficial knowledge, aren't they supposed to share it, for it will benefit everybody?But before they get there, we're left dealing with a group of people that simply don't know how to de-escalate an argument.
HE DOES!
When I got here I was in an argument with him, and he explained exactly everything about small town internet to me. ' Namely, not everyone has to interact with you. They will if they want to, but they have no obligation to do so.
I love it! Best part is, I'm probably on the list and now the guy is a friend. There are a number of these examples. cgod drove me nuts at first 'cause we had different political opinions. Now the guy is easily one of my favourite hubskiers. Also, he's changed my thinking on a number of things. Rational people can disagree rationally. Can't wait for the post insomn:)
Hi kbl00! Thank you for really making me understand that.
I think coffeesp00ns gave some advice saying something akin to "this is the Internet and written words can be misconstrued." So true.
I didn't read this post and only skimmed the comments that promoted it. Not too interested in the drama of it. But sp00ns point rings true to me after this recent comment that is a perfect example: and to kleinbl00's comment about pricking an asshole, it's usually pretty obvious when malice is intended. Afk on phone. Sorry for brevity.
My diminished presence during influxes mean I always miss these magnificent meltdowns. Thank the lord for having been linked on this one. Listen, my only knowledge of you is through seeing those comments. kb might be an ass occasionally, but I've yet to see him be an ass to someone first. Moreover, he's very rarely wrong. And this case was no different. You were wrong. More often than not here, you will be called for being wrong, and very often--as this post shows--when someone is wrong, they go on very long-winded rants about minor things. Perhaps you need to take a step back and realize that if you're in that position, you may want to reconsider where you stand. I'll probably make a few more comments like this one. I always end up getting sucked and and tell off some asshole who's overstayed their welcome after the influxes, but I don't know you that well yet. And you see to be introspective in these comments here at least, so there may be a chance you're a good guy at least. Just... understand that you don't need a diatribe meta-post when you realized you called out an expert.
pot, meet kettle. this kind of public shaming attempt really isn't necessary or appropriate here. you might want to try talking to them directly and privately next time and probably keep it short and sweet. but, since it's kb, i'll save you (and him) the trouble and just link you to his canned response to this kind of shitin their stead, I saw the puffed chest of an offended person.
Like TheVenerableCain, I don't particularly have any investment in this whole situation... But I will happily share my opinion! I think a lot of this may stem from an unhealthy self-centered mindset, ThatFanficGuy. I encourage you to take yourself out of the position of "victim" to get a perspective on this whole thing. Instead of saying, "How has this offended me?", try, "How might I have offended someone else?" As a society, we are far too reluctant to explore the idea that we may be wrong and have a little empathy. No one will hate you for what has happened here. We are not living in your world. You are just as meaningless to me as I am to you, and whether or not you can accept that is up to you. EDIT: ThatFanficGuy, I may have stalked you a little. You seem to have narcissistic tendencies - I encourage you to seek counselling, as they will be able to help you sort through your thoughts far better than anyone on the Internet could.
It does stem from my selfish nature. I'm going to do my best to change my view, but it will not happen in a moment, no matter how much I may wish for it. It is why adherence to the worldview of Love is so important: I must learn to respect others in a way that I'd like to be respected myself, as per the golden rule. Regarding the position of victim you've mentioned: what parts of the post you see as most related to it? P.S. I shall use this opportunity to let TheVenerableCain know that I've heard their words and do not reply because I must think of the important point provided in their post. I'll reply once I'd have something important to say.
I am no expert, but: Victim mentality is usually very negative and accusatory of others. Accusations lead to defensive responses, and it all spirals down from there. When you have a disagreement is the correct time to use "I" statements - "I feel you misunderstood me, and I disagree with x in your response." It is rarely helpful to say, "You are wrong." It is not a battle. Be polite, thank them for their opinion, and genuinely consider what they have to say. Ask questions to clarify. Don't think of it as people learning from you; reframe your thoughts to what YOU can learn from other people.misunderstanding of what I was digging into.
Though if you were going to rage on if I didn't agree with you somewhere down the road and your ego was hurt either way, you can go fuck yourself.
Damn it. You're right. When you put it that way, it seems so simple that it makes me wonder why didn't it appear to me as well, as we usually do when encounter such things. I understand what you mean and I thank you for sharing this piece of wisdom.
You were doing really well until your three asterisks, but following that all looks to be that fear and pride you mentioned creeping back in to strangle your opportunity to learn and grow as a person. I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just offering my two cents as an outsider looking in. Edit - on mobile so please forgive errors
I gave your words a thought, for they sounded like something I had to consider seriously, and found out that you were right on the matter: I did succumb to Fear for most of the saying after the asterisks, and it is an unhealthy habit. That being said, I still believe that asserting myself - even if solely for my own sake - was important. I've never been a fellow to stand up for others or even myself, and now is the time to change that. The opportunity I used for it may not be the best one - I rid onto others to achieve that, which is very disrespectful of me - and despite not arguing for my rightness on the occasion, I'm glad that I did stand up this time. With this in mind and from your perspective, would you still say that writing what came after the asterisks was in total a bad idea?
I appreciate you taking the time to consider what I, and everyone else, said. I don't believe what you said what a bad idea. I believe it was a good plan with a poor execution. I'm a person that has strong opinions but I don't tend to stand up for them as much as I probably should. I don't enjoy confrontation. With that in mind, I applaud you for taking a stance and sticking to it. Right or wrong isn't in question. I think what you lacked in the second portion of your post was tact. Get your point across, let the audience know that you're serious, but you have to craft your words in a way that isn't demeaning or insulting. Don't give in to the intoxicating aroma of self-righteousness. Be confident, but be humble as well. I hope you found this somewhat helpful. - Paul Atreides, DuneI must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
I think it's quite brave of you to be so open about your insecurities, your feelings of self-loathing and your delusions of greatness. Some people spend a lot of time lost in their own little inner world, but they'd rather be misunderstood than admit it to themselves, let alone a community of strangers. Now don't let this newfound awareness and self-respect go to waste. Build on them, and keep an eye out for those patterns of dysfunctional thought that have prevented you from living a fulfilling life until now. It sounds to me like you have some kind of social anxiety disorder, maybe avoidant personality disorder. You might want to consider the possibility of getting professional help. * * * And yeah, kleinbl00 is the typical big fish in a small pond. Every forum has one, and it seems Hubski is no exception from this point of view. Good for you for not bending under the pressure and not apologising. * * * And TV Tropes sucks.
Thank you for the support. Do you mean that? I did do quite a few mistakes on the way, after all. While asserting myself has been a great idea, for it gave me the important momentum, I now understand that in doing so I broke my own rule of credit of respect, which proves me to be a disrespective person on the occasion, and it is not what I want to be. I might, indeed. I've held up remarkable levels of discipline against things that might be of help to my mind so far, but now that you mention it, it sounds like I might end up needing it. I've always preferred to "help myself" rather than "use" anything (meditation, yoga, therapy, so on) because, apparently, it was supposed to show me that I'm entirely capable of doing my own fights, however grand they are, or to assert myself as an independent person, even though I'm completely dependent on others for most else at the moment. You can see the hipocrisy flowing over the edge. Any particular advice in the meantime?Good for you for not bending under the pressure and not apologising.
You might want to consider the possibility of getting professional help.
I do. Peer pressure makes people do stupid things, like making them apologise for having the wrong opinion. I think this could be seen as a first step towards overcoming your fear of not being accepted by the people around you. Get enough sleep, exercise, make sure you're getting enough vitamin d. I'm serious, don't underestimate the effect that your physical health can have on your state of mind. Mens sana in corpore sano.Do you mean that?
Any particular advice in the meantime?
Thank you. I feel like I'm doing progress with exercise - doing the cycles of two days running and two days of upper-body training, each cycle increasing the time/the number of times and reps - but sleep is still beyond me. Do you have, by any chance, a well-informed guide on sleeping at hand, or do you have a name I can research? I wanted to edit the first reply to you, but since you've already posted your answer, I'll ask here: why did you say that TV Tropes sucks? Did you mean that it sucks in? If not, why do you hold it in such a low opinion?
I have no such guide, unfortunately, but I can tell you that getting a vitamin d3 supplement pretty much fixed my sleep schedule. When I stopped taking it, I went back to sleeping during the day and staying awake at night. There are several things that can disrupt your sleep or make it harder to fall asleep. Caffeine is one, obviously, and bright screens (both television and computer) are another often overlooked source of problems. About TV Tropes: I just don't like their approach to media. I feel like they're creating a jargon to talk about stories and characters without actually talking about them.
There's a book that might help you called "The Untethered Soul." Title's a bit new-agey sounding. And later chapters are too new-agey for my taste. The first few chapters, however, forever changed me to immense benefit. Basically, you've got a running commentary in your head at all times. Shame, confusion, disappointment, expectations, assumptions, you can go round and round, beating an idea, failure, mistake, into the ground, oh no, over and over again, and it spirals, gets tighter and tighter, winds you up tight... The first few chapters taught me how to avoid that. It itakes paying to attention to the chatter going on in your mind, what is that chatter saying. See it as a separate voice. Is that voice telling you anything useful? Anything you don't know already? And so forth. I mention this to you because I've found it very helpful with regards to instances of anxiety, frustration, hostility, shame, identity confusion, etc. p.s. Cognitive behavior therapy and/or Dialectical Behavior Therapy might help. These are practical forms of therapy, problem-solving and pattern-changing, rather than emoting/talking about childhood type therapy.
Thank you for the recommendation. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the market of the English-language literature from where I live, and there's not a chance I'll read it in the next few years. Still, the method you describe from the book is something I have discovered on my own, and it has been very helpful indeed. Being mindful about your mind is a good place to be, for it encourages observation and learning of myself like nothing else, and knowing is half a victory. I've given the description of DBT a read on Wikipedia, and it turned out that I've been already practicing or intending to practice many of the points and methods raised. Indeed, it provides a blueprint for healthy attitudes towards oneself and others and for a healthy living, both bodily and mentally. Thank you for linking me to it; I'll see what I can learn from it.