I came over here from Reddit, completely expecting an influx of Redditors, but this thread (in the whole 10 seconds I've been here) seems like the only place, with a link to the /r/announcements thread. Edit: Removed a piece of idiocy that's I've already talked about more or less.
No wait hold on this is important. This comes up every time there's a whole bunch of new people from Reddit, and there's nothing wrong with that but the goal isn't to be a competitor to Reddit. Simply another site, with another community that is focused on good articles, original content, and making personal connections with other users on the site. I don't know, I'm sure thenewgreen or somebody more involved can sum it up better than I just did. Welcome to Hubski, by the way.Anyway I think this site MIGHT be the competitor (hopefully).
I too, am surprised by the lack of redditors here. I'm keeping a watch on this hubski thing, at least while reddit continues to suck shit.
My advice would be to check out the "badges" link in the upper right corner. -Some great content there. Also, Hubski as a newsletter that insomniasexx puts together. You can find past versions here: http://hubskinewsletter.com and could find people to follow via that. Also, you can follow tags. Also, also this: https://hubski.com/primer #newtohubski edit: WELCOME!
Welcome! You can check out this post as well which has some good advice: https://hubski.com/pub?id=129011 I also really like kb's comment here: https://hubski.com/pub?id=156804
Well I went here and I'm enjoying myself so far. I think I'm going to continue to go here even if reddit cleans up it's act.
It doesn't seem like Hubski really works on counts or numbers like reddit does directly. It seems to be a more nuanced/complex system that cares more about the amount of activity, views, etc, that come into play. Because of that, the direct number of comments/votes don't seem to be nearly as important as on reddit.
Hubski also doesn't have downvotes...or upvotes. They're just circle dots to the clockwise.
Came here from reddit, it's time for its inevitable downfall.
Oh man, I just went to bed, wake up, and find all this goin' on. I guess Hubski's hitting a point where I won't actually see this stuff if I'm not following it/checking the chatter tab frequently. Plus I ignored the reddit tag...heheh. Does this mean I have my own Hubski bubble now? How weird. I would just like to recommend that you don't try to make Hubski your "Reddit Replacement." They're far and apart different websites, and I'm glad I didn't approach the site with that mindset, otherwise I don't think I would have stayed very long. Take it for what it is, lurk for a bit and get a feel for things, get those #askhubski threads out of your system, then settle on down and try to stay here for the long-term. You'll enjoy it. Welcome all. And uh, Reddit isn't imploding or dying, I should add. The same thing was said when that conspiracy BS happened a few months ago, too, haha.
"You''re from Reddit?" "Yeah." "I'm from Reddit too!" "Cool." "..." "..." "Well, I guess, uh..." It's interesting, because it feels like of the tons of traffic we get, only, like, 4 or 5 people maximum actually stick around for the long-term. I wonder what makes people leave, in the end. Do they just get over it and go back to Reddit?
It's kind of better that way, IMO. A bunch of people come look at the place, and most discover it's a decent place but not really for them. But several find it's exactly what they want, and they are a benefit to the rest of us in my experience. Over the last three years this has probably happened roughly 10 times, and every time the site is annoying for like two days, but turns out to be better in the long run.
Yeah, ButterflyEffect and I had a talk about this via PM the last time it happened, with the Reddit Conspiracy thing...man, what a crap-show that was. I don't think anyone from that migration stayed that time around. I'm down with anybody who appreciates high-effort content to stick around, though - two or three high quality people as opposed to an extra-large user-base of not-so-high-quality people, hehe.
I've come and went, and came back. I'd like to stay, and use hubski more. One problem I found was that links and comments I submit tend to feel like hidden to the rest of the users on the site. A few core users submit lots of things (and nice ones!) but I feel outside the core cabal. There is no mass of users that I can meld into. I tend to go directly for the "global" page. Otherwise I just see the same core users who I followed, and it's hard to learn about others. Just rambling....
The site founders are firmly of the opinion that content is best found by following users who post and share content that is interesting to you. Thus, the functionality of "following" experiences greater development. I largely use "global" because unless you follow lots of disparate users, your feed ends up being a cul-de-sac of information... and if you follow lots of disparate users, your "feed" doesn't really reflect your interests.
waxbolt, if you knew the amount of times I have sat strangers in front of a computer and had them use hubski for the first time in front of me while quietly taking notes, you would be pleased :) I also create new accounts and go through the process to get a feel for it. kleinbl00 will recall that we once had no tutorial and he was extremely helpful in testing/suggesting what we have now. -To this point, we are in the works on a "welcome video" that steve is making which will help steer new users towards finding content etc. And it certainly mentions the global feeds. Its a work in progress, but b_b is also correct that barriers exist for a reason too. There is a good amount of chatter on reddit right now about Hubski and I just saw one comment there mention that Hubski looked too "dense" and that because of that they are sticking to 4chan and reddit. -Victory from a UI perspective imo.The site founders are firmly of the opinion that content is best found by following users who post and share content that is interesting to you.
True, but it's all in how you get there. For me, the ideal way to use the site would be to follow tags that interest you to begin with. Then, when you find users, via those tags, that you find interesting -follow them. I would think that a healthy mix of users/tags followed is the way to go.
This is exactly the problem I've had in finding content on the site. I think it's healthy to have multiple views into the set of links and comments, but the default view is still a social dead-end, which might be confusing or difficult for someone who comes to the site without any background. The founders should try to re-join as new users and see how long it takes them to build up a meaningful feed. It's taken me months of (weakly) trying and still I am very dissatisfied with what I have. global is much better.
So. This account is like 70 days old or something and exists solely so for testing something we created solely for the purposes of aiding new users. However, if you check my feed you will see that it has content and articles and stuff in it, all of which it gained in the past three minutes. The first thing I did was click on "badges" in the upper right. I then saw a post by insomniasexx that appealed to me, so I clicked her name. I then had the option to follow her. I looked at some of the other stuff she posted, and clicked on one of the tags she used. This led me to an interesting article by @butterflyeffect@, so I also clicked on his name and followed him. I then looked over the stuff he posts and clicked on one of his tags, which I am now following. As a result, in the space of five minutes I'm following two users and three tags: #space, #goodlongread and #relationships. Note that these are self-evident tags; they present no surprises, unlike #writebetterdammit. Note that I needed to only click on "badges" once in order to get a heapin' helpin' of high-quality content, and from there it was like pearl-diving Wikipedia. Good luck and god speed.
Hm. I recently moved the chatter link next to feed since they both contain individualized content. However this might have deprecated global a bit more. I'm open to ideas. Do you recall when global used to mix in your feed and you could choose the mix? I thought that was positive in some ways.
Somewhere I discussed a slider that allowed affinity for your stuff and global stuff. But it wasn't with you, 'cuz I just rolled back our discussions to the point where it wouldn't give me any more. Dead horse time - massive influx of redditors are fire drills for Hubski two years from now, when a new user shows up and makes no effort to conform to the community but instead attempts to force the community to conform to him. The fact that all this stuff shows up for most of us in "global" and is completely divorced if we're ignoring #reddit is perfect, really... but if you want a petri dish of the future, watch the way these folx interact in here.
Apparently. Your quote: You'll note that my list is the Venn overlap for the subsets "things that are demonized" and "things that are completely normal." The point being: just because something is normal does not mean that it is good, that it is just, that it is something to be championed. On the other hand, you have bid "Childbirth and Education" as if they were things subject to demonization. This will be a difficult argument to make, should you attempt to do so. It seems that you wish to argue that "changing social dynamics" are "good normal" like "Childbirth and Education." However, you merely argued that "changing social dynamics" were "normal" and, as "normal" things, not subject to demonization. I hope you now see the fallacy in your argument. But hey. Let's start the kickoff with some snark, that always sets the tenor in a great spot, just like sarcasm and hyperbole.Is this 'lets be intellectually lazy' day?
I'm not sure why you would demonize someone for a phenomenon that is completely normal.
You were complaining about how certain new users are going to affect the community, and I pointed out that it's perfectly normal. We can get all convoluted about the definitions for whatever word you deem to be important to your correctness, but it won't change my initial point. Your complaints are akin to a parent lamenting that their cute little baby will someday turn into a full grown adult who is not nearly as cute. That's just how it works. Rather than complaining about a perfectly normal process, you should instead be wondering how the user and the community can both benefit from the growth. Furthermore, it seems to me that simply throwing out a list the way you did is a bit antithetical to the supposed deeper discussions this site is supposed to have.
Do you see the entitlement in your statement? You're stating that since you're new, and since new things change old things, new things are more important than old things. You're essentially arguing that since Eternal September happens, it is therefore good. You even compare yourself to a new baby and me to a cranky, ill-informed parent. The site that you're on? That you're interested in? That has qualities that attracted you in the first place? Those qualities were created by me. And if you don't think I'm entitled to protect those qualities there's very little reason for us to discuss this further.
It seems the level of discourse on this site is no better than reddit. http://memegenerator.net/instance/22144832 Or put another way, if you feel the need to tell me what my stance is, you're probably involved in a strawman.
What was that about a strawman?Is this 'lets be intellectually lazy' day?
I think the biggest disappointment in hubski for me is that it doesn't actually result in the sort of intellectually stimulating conversations I was looking for. When I came here it wasn't with the intent of being in an environment where people are nice or polite, it was to be in an environment where finding good, valuable discourse would be easier to do. Unfortunately, that requires a certain level of intellectual honesty, and I'm finding it lacking. The idea that a memegenerator link detracts from the point, for example. It doesn't, it just offends your sensibilities. But really, it's about the popularity contest that results from the way this site works. This entire conversation resulted because I pointed out to one of the most popular posters on this site that they're complaining about something that is a natural consequence of humans being social creatures. How dare I.
Nah, many a person will call Kleinbro out on shit if that's what he's giving out, me included. Problem is, in this "discussion", it wasn't the case. I've read through your responses multiple times, and if you think that's what being "intellectual" is, than I'm going to assume you're pretty young. And not on the site, either, just in terms of age. The tone you've been giving off is pretty obnoxious. You weren't just "pointing out" something, your whole tone was and continues to be needlessly "smartier than thou." Not gonna lie, if you're finding the intellectual honesty in this site lacking, than you're either not looking hard enough, or pretending it's not there. You're even using the intellectually stimulating buzzwords, but as soon as someone has a critical discussion with you, you don't like the discourse you're getting. You gotta choose! One or the other.This entire conversation resulted because I pointed out to one of the most popular posters on this site that they're complaining about something that is a natural consequence of humans being social creatures.
Intellectual honesty means being able to admit that klein's initial response to me was just lazy. Instead you've chosen to dismiss my points because you don't like the link google gave me, you think I'm young, you don't like my tone, or my choice of words. But the one thing you haven't done is responded to my point. If I tell you I think it's a circlejerk, will that get dismissed for using a term you don't like, or do you think you could be bothered to talk about what aspects this site make it appear so for someone coming from reddit? One of those is lazy, the other could actually result in something interesting. that is the problem with this site, and with the responses by both you and klein. And don't even get me started on your cherry picking my quote. The addition of the full quote vastly changes the meaning. That's honesty for you.
BUT WHAT IS YOUR POINT. WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING. All you've said is that you don't like Hubski, but the only reason you've given me are bullshit, or, I dunno, nonexistent. and you're still here. That being said, I can only argue with non-existence for so long, and Psycho Pass isn't going to watch itself, so...
wait wait I just remembered the ignore button... i almost feel awful.
[Shrug]. Maybe yes, maybe no but you're right. Lots of "I'll be sticking around!" type comments but not a whole lot of follow through. Such a common trait on the internet and off. It might be that hubski is less . . . internet casual? I mean, I know I've been lurking a bit more just because I've been busy and while there is a lot of content that interests me I just don't feel up to reading a lot of it at the moment. Kind of like, I love jazz but sometimes I don't want to think about the intricacies of a given piece of music sometimes.
Haha, it's funny, because I'll give Hubski a break for the opposite reason, when I'm not busy, and just want to chill and play videogames/lounge around for a few days or whatever. It's definitely not internet-casual, and that's probably it. I like high-effort content as much as the next person, but I still gotta take a break sometimes.
Coming from Reddit here. Tried it once before, decided to try it again. I have... issues with Hubski. For instance: * The whole follow/ignore system doesn't work for me, for various reasons. For one thing, I don't know who/what to follow, and if I did, I'd just slap a feed in my RSS reader and be done with it. It's too... binary. There's no way to say "hey, this is something that I don't generally like, but you know, if there's a really highly voted post on the subject run it by me anyways". * Don't like the interface much. Fixed top bar, popovers all over the place, inconsistent text sizes, unclickable gaps in places, too little contrast in dark mode, etc. * Public lists of who follows what is... frustrating. * Formatting seems incomplete. Case in point: no way that I can see to make lists, which is something I often do.
I agree with most of what you've said outside of the style issues (they don't bother me). I can appreciate reddit because I don't always want to curate my own experience. It's sort of the reason why my music player always plays on random. I don't know what I'm going to find over the next hill, that's kind of the point of social aggregation sites. I've actually been putting a lot of thought into what I want from such a site recently, some of the issues I'm having with hubski have really brought it to the forefront in my head. edit: Also, I really really dislike markup as the formatting 'language' for a site. I just don't think it works well, I much prefer using html tags along with maybe some simple markup like asterisks. My biggest complain is the way it treats whitespace.
You can make lists by the format hubski.com/list?id= and then copy/pasting the pub id of the posts or comments you want to include, separated by a comma. For example, here is a recent newsletter list.
That's not the type of list I meant... I meant a list inside a comment. Like what I tried to emulate in my previous comment with apostrophes.
Well, no. They're exchanging meaningless, made-up data for semi-meaningless, made-up statistics and a useless sorting method for a different useless sorting method. That's the tricky thing about made-up Internet points - if I tell you they're purple now instead of yellow, you can be pissed, but you can't argue that the purple points are somehow less genuine. Reddit has been fuzzing things well out of the range of any reasonability for more than three years now. What they're doing here is acknowledging it while also admitting that they can't meaningfully keep the "points" metric around without it being any more of a joke than it already is.
So much of reddit is on smaller subs where vote fuzzing never or minimally effected vote counts. Fuzzing was most obvious in major subreddits with thousand+ active users The Admins are right in saying that fuzzed counts were mostly illusionary, but subreddits like /r/photoshopbattles which based it's entire content selection on vote counts are now essentially broken. This is coupled with the fact that they didn't inform the dev. community at all, so pretty much every major reddit app is broken right now. Basically, it's not surprising that people are upset about this, it was hasty and poorly implemented, and this says nothing about whether it's a good idea or not, just that this reality is why you're seeing so much backlash.
Find a comment of yours in a small sub with four votes. Hit refresh repeatedly. In the space of seconds you'll see it dance to 6/1, 4/2, 5/0, then cycle back through with a little salting. This means one of two things: 1) There's someone in every sub hyperactively slamming upvote and downvote buttons 'cuz he can't make up his mind or 2) Vote fuzzing hits at less than ten, thereby rendering even the smallest subs subject to its whim. No, those who used those subreddits who weren't already aware of how broken they truly are have just awoken to the reality of the situation. Humor me. Click here. Check out that there trophy shelf or whatever they call it. Find the thing that looks like this: Ever seen one of those before? That's a badge for Reddit's first, last and only beta. It was in 2010. They've gone through two other search engines since then and beta-tested none of them. That team is so gone that not only are none of them still at Reddit, none of the people they hired are still at Reddit. I bring this up as a long-winded, argument-from-authority approach to saying "what else would you expect?" (1) no doubt. (2) no surprise there. (3) the argument is that "reddit is imploding in real time." I would say that's exactly the sort of vague sensationalism that caused many of us here to leave reddit. Is it fair to say that large swaths of the uneducated masses are currently experiencing rustled jimmies? Absolutely. "implode?" More like a zit popping.So much of reddit is on smaller subs where vote fuzzing never or minimally effected vote counts.
but subreddits like /r/photoshopbattles which based it's entire content selection on vote counts are now essentially broken.
This is coupled with the fact that they didn't inform the dev. community at all, so pretty much every major reddit app is broken right now.
Basically, it's not surprising that people are upset about this, it was hasty and poorly implemented, and this says nothing about whether it's a good idea or not, just that this reality is why you're seeing so much backlash.
I'm on the same boat. It isn't the imaginary numbers that matter at reddit, its the manner they went about a change that impacts the smaller subs. In a way I'm happy. It spurred me to explore new social aggregate alternatives, and so far I'm liking what I'm seeing.
And me, and others. I hope we get a good thing going here.
Hi Swedishbadger - there is a good thing going here already. We are often interesting, usually respectful, and sometimes even funny. If you are a girl, there are smart interesting females here. Sometimes men use the tag #grrlski to get a female perspective on an issue. There is no up or down voting here, only sharing. Let me know if you have any questions by personal message (pm).
If you click the circle on a post, it means you are sharing the post with your followers. Gradually, as you post and comment, you will gain followers - meaning your posts and comments will appear in their feed. This site depends on people finding or creating interesting items and sharing them. If you click the circle next to a comment, you are indicating that you
1) have probably read it
2) find it interesting and worthy of note Check the about and tutorial at the bottom of the page, and also #didyouknow and #newtohubski tags. Or just ask me.
That's brilliant, thanks! I was already following #newtohubski so I'll follow #didyouknow now too. And share your post.
Actually one more question, what usually makes you decide to share a post? Is it that you agreed with it, thought it was interesting, thought it added to the conversation, all of the above? I'm noticing that most of the posts I've shared are post with which I've found agreeable, but maybe that's not as beneficial. Still learning, thanks for sharing your experience, cheers :)
Sharing also adds to something in mk's magic mix causing dots to appear around your name or perhaps around the sharee's name. When you complete a full circle, you have more privileges. If you comment on it and want more people to notice your comment, perhaps people might add a share. I imagine sharing is someowhat idiosyncratic. Also worthy of note is that people do not just read what is in their feeds. They look for interesting comments in chatter and badges and unread, unshared one-starred bits in "global." Anyway, no rush. Hubski never sleeps..Actually one more question, what usually makes you decide to share a post? Is it that you agreed with it, thought it was interesting, thought it added to the conversation, all of the above?
Sometimes posts are shared ironically, sometimes even badged ironically.
Thank you, I found the tag and I really like the tag system and everything else so far.
Also, view your comment while logged in. Then open incognito and view it. Then log in to a different account and view it. I've refreshed 12 times logged in and got 120 up 30 down repeatedly only to log out and see 120 up and 90 down. Posts are far worse than comments.Find a comment of yours in a small sub with four votes. Hit refresh repeatedly. In the space of seconds you'll see it dance to 6/1, 4/2, 5/0, then cycle back through with a little salting.
>In the space of seconds you'll see it dance to 6/1, 4/2, 5/0, You can't. Not anymore at least, and it's something that bothers me about the change. You will never know if it was (5/0) or (1000/995). They don't even give percentages for votes. edit: whoops, still not used to hubski's formatting..
Maybe it'll only show after x amount of time. I fixed it almost immediately after posting
So I was having a discussion via email yesterday. 22 hours ago I wrote this statement: Then...this post...21 hours ago. I can't tell if my brain is going to explode from that amazing foresight or this hangover. Welcome all you new users!! We're glad to have you (as long as you try to keep the reddit drama to a minimum. You get a free pass today.)Reddit is one change or dramafest away from losing 10m clicks/day.
I think I just found a better way to waste time.
Just found Hubski via a Reddit thread discussing the recent changes and decided to scope it out in case the reddit content starts to suffer. While I don't think that the removal of the Up/Downvote counter won't 'break' reddit, it is definitely not a step in the right direction.
It's just gotten strange lately, not the reddit I used to love. Digg didn't die all at once , it was the accumulation of smaller issues and the final straw was version 4. http://reddithistory.wikia.com/wiki/Digg_exodus I think today's events are a turning point for a lot of us who have been on the fence about staying with reddit and using it as our social news platform
yeah, i've honestly been looking for a reddit alternative for awhile now, this is just the first time i've really actively sought one out, and so far i've really taken to this site and Fark, just wish they had slightly bigger user bases.
I guess it's more visible to people that they removed something everyone was used to and seemed to like with out asking and warning. The new thing applies and is visible to everyone so I think that is why people are reacting.
By removing visible vote tallies, comments that have 1000 upvotes and 999 downvotes show the same value as a comment that has 2 upvotes and one downvote. To some it makes no difference, but for others being able to watch your votes up and down was all part of the fun. It certainly drew me to Reddit. It also breaks a lot of smaller subreddits routines like holding competitions that didnt take downvotes into effect. Personally I think it all smells a bit fishy. Officially its trying to fix a problem that never really existed (people being confused about fuzzed downvotes), but realistically it makes it a lot easier for promoted content to go unnoticed which leads some to believe Reddit will be benefiting financially from the change. I'd be fine with Reddit benefiting financially, but they need to be open about it, or at least make the changes optional for smaller subs.
Exactly, the fact that they moved so much of everything behind the scenes was the thing that caused me to come here.
I agree. It seemed to get a lot of the mods of smaller subs angry. The lack of notice is what got me. It reminds me so much of the end of digg.
Yeah, usually they seem to ask and reply to criticism but now they just call it a "knee-jerk-reaction".
|It also breaks a lot of smaller subreddits routines like holding competitions that didnt take downvotes into effect. Especially this. The sub I run holds a yearly contest, and this year I was considering taking a tally of the total number of upvotes instead the most liked percentage wise, but that idea just got thrown out the window because of this update.
r/vexillology & r/photoshopbattles contests depend on upvote/downvote tallys tremendously. They've completely ruined that. http://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/28i4eu/important_contest_changes/ This post by the r/vexillology mod really got me thinking about alternatives.
r/vexillology & r/photoshopbattles contests depend on upvote/downvote tallys tremendously. They've completely ruined that. http://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/28i4eu/important_contest_changes/ This post by the r/vexillology mod really got me thinking about alternatives.
A lot of people are pointing out something like "there's no difference between 1001 up 1000 down and 1 up 0 down". Is there any way to (keeping vote fuzzing intact) differentiate between these without showing specific up/down counts? Maybe a "popularity factor" or something?