Intellectual honesty means being able to admit that klein's initial response to me was just lazy. Instead you've chosen to dismiss my points because you don't like the link google gave me, you think I'm young, you don't like my tone, or my choice of words. But the one thing you haven't done is responded to my point. If I tell you I think it's a circlejerk, will that get dismissed for using a term you don't like, or do you think you could be bothered to talk about what aspects this site make it appear so for someone coming from reddit? One of those is lazy, the other could actually result in something interesting. that is the problem with this site, and with the responses by both you and klein. And don't even get me started on your cherry picking my quote. The addition of the full quote vastly changes the meaning. That's honesty for you.