(Subject: muted)
Hi kleinb00,
I would love to be able to communicate on your posts. I enjoy them a lot.
However I am muted... This hurts because I don't understand why it happened.
Would you please explain what I did wrong so I can avoid upsetting you again? (If that's what happened.) I also don't want to trouble other people.
In the interest of community,
qiy
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I am a little confused about what happened. I said some tongue in cheek things about Linux in irc and then disagreed with +kleinb00 about whether medicine and economics are comparable. I've worked in both fields for a fair amount of time, so I was speaking from experience and not just being contrarian, but I guess it can across differently because they blocked me response.
There is no way to recover. The block prevents me from talking with other people in their threads. Given our overlap in interest and their centrality in this community, the effect is that I'm ejected from what I can contribute to. This is sad and I don't think it's right to make another account to rejoin the discussion. And, it would be Sisyphean to repost the same kinds of things when the rest of this thoughtful web is already talking in their post.
I feel there might be some kind of misunderstanding, but I can't message them to resolve it. So, I'm reaching out. I'd like to apologize for troubling them and won't directly reply to them anymore unless they tell me it is OK. But perhaps I could write to other people under their posts?
I probably should just go. I've been asked to leave and I don't want to upset someone by being here. I felt happy about hubski, but now I feel sad when I think about it.
It seems worth mentioning that this kind of thing is happening. Maybe there is another way?
I rarely block people, mostly just a few aggressive walruses (walri?) I filter people though, and it's always because they bring more bad then good to my feed. If you're getting muted maybe spend time contributing to the site more. Start interesting discussions, post links, write articles about your passions. You'll enjoy the site more and hopefully it will incentivize people to keep you in the conversation. Edit: it's walruses. Weird. Edit 2: Read the link, it's actually sea lion. Today is not my day.
I'm super sorry you feel this way. I think the muting/hushing/filtering system is genius. It allows for a nuanced shaping of my hubski experience. Each of us should be able to dial it in as we like. This is a, opt-in environment. We choose to be here. It's up to each of us to tailor the experience. I like to have a fair amount of people in my circle that disagree with me (just ask TNG). It makes my life interesting. But I also have limited tolerance for racism, chauvinism, or hate in general. I like knowing that I can shut out certain voices if/when necessary. I like knowing that YOU can tailor YOUR experience. It's fantastic! And look - having been on the muted end of the kb stick in the past... I get it. That dude posts some INTERESTING SHIT. And it kinda sucks to be locked out of the discussion. But you know what? My life went on. And so will all of ours.I have, and will continue to see the muting system as a very negative thing
No, the filter and hush systems create an opt-in environment because they only affect the filterer and husher respectively. The mute function creates an environment where anyone can be silenced (from all views) from criticising another's posts just on their whim.I'm super sorry you feel this way. I think the muting/hushing/filtering system is genius. It allows for a nuanced shaping of my hubski experience. Each of us should be able to dial it in as we like. This is a, opt-in environment. We choose to be here.
That's kind of the thing that makes the internet great, no? No matter who you are, who stands against or with you, no matter what you say, what you believe, what you think, you are free to express what you want to express, to make what you want to make. That's what makes the internet great, that's what allows the massive expansion in content and rapid increase in culture through the internet. It's why you can find so many awesome groups/communities from all over the web. If you shut down that medium, you turn the internet into a meeting room, a place controlled by a couple of people who have amassed power, and control how things are said, why they are said, and what is and isn't appropriate to say. Consider the person this whole message was directed to, in just banning a user they have banned their ability to post to the things which the majority of the front pages and similar content on hubski, is made up on. That's a bad thing, assuming the person never did anything deliberately disruptive or counter to productive discussion.
What? No! Since when has the internet allowed free speech? Just about every major website has content policies in place. Hell, even 4chan has some limits. The internet brought people together and gave them a voice. It did not give them a blank check to do whatever they wanted with that voice. Every website chooses how restrictive It will be, and I'm fine with where hubski has landed.
That's interesting. On one hand internet companies are pushing for policing/real identities/censoring. Because if you're hurt by a comment on a social media, you wont stay here, you wont participate, and you wont see the sweet sweet ads. So muting user only serve crass commercialism. On the other hand, nobody has to put on with others bullshit, if he does not want to. Compare it to real life. If your friend/family/colleague become utterly annoying and/or insufferable you'll cut them out of your life. I like how mk handled the censure as a per user basis. Hubski does not decide which user to mute or ban because of bullying, or divergent opinion, anyone decide for himself. It's very visceral and hurtful. first time I saw I was muted I was pissed. You are rejected, your opinion is seen as irrelevant or hurtful, and the dude muting you is surely a dumbass. But hey, I get to mute anyone I want, so I'm not left powerless either. And THAT is an awesome feeling. It's like you can Block Obama or Apple on twitter if you want to. Useless, but hey, they cannot annoy you with their propaganda now! In the end I think it's very intelligent way to handle social media interaction: anyone is in charge of the censure he want to apply. Anything giving power to end user is good in my book.
My issue is not that people are assholes, it is in muting people, silencing people, because they are assholes. People don't change by being shut out, they changed by being corrected and yelled at. In the search for a duration system that doesn't make people feel bad, hubski instead made one that isolates and encourages a person to make alt accounts.
Why should someone else feel any obligation to help someone they don't want to talk to get over their issues. There is a reason people pay good money for counseling, because this shit is tiresome. Making an alt because someone muted you is just pathetic. Sometimes a person won't be liked, sometimes it won't be fair, sometimes it won't be their fault, sometimes it will all be a big misunderstanding. For fucks sake, a person has to move on with their life and get over these kinds of not even bumps in the road.
Because it's the right thing to do? Because it's best to try and act in a way that results in the best possible community and society? And?Why should someone else feel any obligation to help someone they don't want to talk to get over their issues.
Making an alt because someone muted you is just pathetic.
Is this how you live your life? Fixing all the people who are broken? Do you go around showing everyone who is wrong what is right, making all the cruel people gentle, making all the poor sufficiently comfortable, healing the sick? Everyone well balanced sane person has to draw a line between helping others and maintain their own sanity, health, happiness and welfare. It's really not for you to impose a line in which someone like kleine00 (or anyone else for that matter) has to play ego therapist for someone else. I hope you have at least PMed qiy and started to help him work through this trauma, by your stated creed it's the least you could do.
Thanks for some context. It's not that hard to lose track of someone's past if you didn't follow them or feel compelled to mute them. They are just another face in the crowd. I wouldn't have taken the bait if I had realized I was talking to the guy who wants to start fights and then be outraged when he gets muted or whenever muting gets mentioned. Personally I'd say there is a great lesson to be learned in an argument where you get muted (and learning lessons from arguments seems to be what this fellas all about). It could be observing what it was that caused such an outrageous affront like getting muted to happen and find a way to still learn all those great lessons without it happening next time. I think the real lesson is why such a small thing as getting muted by a guy you hardly even know gets you so upset. Personally I have a hard time even giving a shit about getting muted but to each his own.
If you really don't know why you were muted (which I doubt), it's probably this : "Both" referring to economics and medicine. If you really believe that medicine has a lack of experimental verifiability, maybe you should back up that assertion - because it sounds kinda ridiculous to me. I don't care if you do or don't, though - I got no dog in this fight.Both fields feature a lack of experimental verifiability
Are you saying that medicine makes no falsifiable predictions? It seems to me that ONLY empirical science has experimental verifiability. Maybe we have a disagreement about definitions - but falsifiability is what clinical drug trials (for example) is all about. Maybe I don't understand what you're saying.
I was splitting hairs a little, but Popper's solution to the problem of induction was that you could never verify something experimentally, you could only falsify it. So you have falsifiability, but never verifiability. By failing to falsify something you become more confident it's true, but you never verify it.
I love your constant attention to mathematical purity, and I thank you for it. Also, I have a draft I'm working on (RE: our discussion on AI), but who knows if I'll ever finish.
kleinbl00 And you should be able to PM, shouldn't you?