Not even vaguely helpful or illuminative. Hillary is bullshit why. Cars are bullshit why. Houses are bullshit why. See - the prevailing sentiment by everyone non-millennial is that millenials are entitled, overprivileged reactionary little shits. So stinking up the place like an entitled, overprivileged reactionary little shit not only does nothing to advance the conversation, it calcifies the battle lines. Because here you are, drinking your hatorade, and deciding I'm the problem for pointing out how salty you are. You're better than this.
I won't opine on Hillary, but I agree with his sentiment. Cars are bullshit because because they are clunky and high maintenance and driving through city traffic sucks. Can't afford anything other than a clunker as the only jobs available are at McColesworth. Taking the bus is often just as fast, unless you live in the suburbs in which case, during rush hour, taking the train is faster. Houses are bullshit because they can cost upwards of a million dollars unless you want to live far away from the city centre. Except that then you'll have to spend hours commuting to the center where all the jobs are or buy a car and still spend a significant amount of time going through motorways that run as slow as molasses. Rent is increased in accordance with the house prices so good luck saving enough to afford a house in the future.
I don't think I can comment too much on cars, because I will admit I'm very biased in the subject. I will say that I've discovered, talking with people from across the country online, that someone's attitude towards cars depends a lot on where they live. People who live in big cities who are stuck in traffic all the time tend to not like cars as much, and because things in cities tend to be slightly more convenient, it's easier to not depend on them. People in more rural areas aren't stuck in traffic, so they find driving and car ownership to be a lot more pleasant. Additionally, because the nearest stores, hospitals, and other places aren't within walking distance, cars are seen as an accepted necessity. In a lot of ways, houses make sense, it just sucks cause they're so expensive. With apartments you tend to have two options, an affordable place in a not so good neighborhood, or a place in a good neighborhood that costs more than a reasonable mortgage. I've noticed that there's not much in between the two options where we live. For houses though, the neighborhoods we have to choose from are much more diverse, so there's a sliding scale for us to work with. When it comes to home ownership or renting an apartment, there's pros and cons to both financially that I'm sure others are better qualified to address than I am. For us though, home ownership seems like the right move and a goal worth working towards.
The sentiment is understood and obvious. The argument is elementary - absolutely everyone understands at some level that millennials can't afford to contribute to the economy with their McJobs and that they love living at home just as little as their parents do. But this whole "fuck you it's bullshit" mentality is so much less useful than "fuck you pay me." Nobody can do anything about "it's bullshit." "pay me" is an economic argument with numbers and shit.
What's the functional difference between fuck you it's bullshit and fuck you pay me? Yeah, it's an economic argument, but if individuals aren't faring that much better than they were since the recession, and with your above point on the three generations in the workforce, how is "fuck you, pay me" even supposed to work?
"Fuck you it's bullshit" - I have no specific arguments about the problem, only rage. "Fuck you pay me" - I have a very specific argument about the problem related directly to my lack of compensation for labor. The first argument is a denial of argument. The second is an appeal to economics.
Ill bite... ButterflyEffect. Hillary is bullshit - because she is the "Not Trump" candidate. 4 More years of failed BHO policies except with more wars. Hope? Change? Nah fuck you more of the same. Also she so right of democrats politically that I don't see a liberal legacy here. Shes totally detached from the "Basket of Delorables" that are struggling to make ends meet in this country and has no interest in helping them. Shes such a bad candidate that Trump who is basically the "Fuck me?... Well fuck you, I'll vote this guy in and we will all suffer together candidate" actually has a decent chance of winning. Cars and Houses are bullshit... because ZIRP and "Post Growth" have created and environment where common folks are just renters. Good luck owning anything as an "Average" millennial. 300/month car payment, 1500 for that 1 BR apt, 600 for that student loan not much left after that for "Savings". Even those that save are getting hit by asset price inflation. That poor millennial that's saving up for a a house needs to save an extra 8K for every year just to keep up with the increasing amount of money he would need to put down as a down-payment on a 400k house (10% of a 80k down payment). Oh and cars well auto manufacturers and digital copyright laws are making it easy to lock out any repairs on cars unless done by a dealer. So you are going to be renting that car soon regardless of if you technically own it or not. The ability for class mobility is quickly disappearing and it sucks if you grew up thinking that it was possible to become wealthy only to realize that all the money you make is being transferred to someone else. To be fair Europeans have been in this situation for a good part of 20 years and its finally hit us here in there states.
Yikes. Those dollar figures are scarily close to mine. Rent is high, but I don't live in Seattle because fuck that percentage of income I'd have to pay to live there. Nothing feels promising because of what you've described above.
I might be senior here, except for thenewgreen's grandfather who used to grace us with his lurking. As for curmudgeonlyness, kb, you'll have to take that honour. I have been curmudgeonly, it's true, but only about hyphen usage, and I might be on the verge of becoming a writing reconstructionist. As for this statement, kb: Were boomers sheltered and overprivileged? I think you mean the gen y'ers. Boomers, you may recall, ran away from home en masse; burned their draft cards; went to San Francisco or somewhere and started communes, recycling, and the counter culture; benefited from the combination of antibiotics for STDs and the pill which led to free sex, before AIDS fucked that up. Then they got straight jobs and did all the bad things that their parents did when they got affluent. I don't know what I'm talking about. I shouldn't generalize about generalizations. Over and out. btw, I'm a boomer and was not sheltered NEARLY E-FUCKING-NUFF. Edit: I will read the article too, when I get a chance.(1) Their parents are Boomers, who grew up sheltered and overprivileged.
Dude. I'm drunk and have had some of the worst 72 hours of my life this week. Let me have this one thing, because I'm not in a mood or willing to elaborate on why. If that makes me "entitled" so fucking be it, but that's a total fucking slap in the face to what I've gone through in this life. And yeah, if this is me being salty fuck it. I don't careeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Edit: also, don't think I have any participation trophies laying around. Darn.
Your mental state does not equate to a rhetorical advantage. Shitposting drunk and being mad is about the most entitled shit someone can do, second possibly to arguing that your point should stand because of your personal state. The argument is put forth is that millennials suffer undue profiling as reactionary, entitled little shits. Your move is to act like a reactionary, entitled little shit and then when called on it, DOUBLE DOWN. I'm sorry you had a shit week. I'm sorry you feel oppressed. I'm sorry you're salty. I'm not sorry for slapping you in the face. Make a point about THE PROBLEM not your feelz.
My point about the problem is there's nothing I can do about it as an individual so what's the point.
such a bullshit argument, dude. Millennials have all the economic cards. The "gig economy" exists because of millennials. By framing the argument as one of "sour grapes" rather than "economics" you are directly harming your own ability to fix your problems. "Fuck this bullshit, there's nothing I can do" is the argument of someone who has given up. "Fuck this bullshit, I deserve a raise" is the argument of a person likely to get a raise.By 2014, 36 percent of the U.S. workforce will be comprised of this generation and by 2020, nearly half (46 percent) of all U.S. workers will be Pesky Whipper-Snappers (Lynch, 2008). By comparison, the generation before them, Generation X (or Gen Xers), represent only 16 percent of today's workforce.
Is that actually how that works? I'd be interested in wage raises within a company versus jumping companies, that seems to be where getting paid your worth really occurs. Which, of course, typically involves relocation and a reintegration into a corporate structure you may or may not agree with.
"I want more" is a clear business proposition. So is "I don't want this." "I want more encourages further engagement with the existing structure, often with modification of the relationship. "I don't want this" discourages further engagement with the existing structure and risks being disenfranchised when someone shows up wanting more. Try it. Approach work from an "I want more of this" attitude. You will end up with more. Or, you know, approach it from an "I want nothing of this" attitude. See how long you last.
Got to say, since getting dragged kicking and screaming into the land of suits and Human Resources departments and shareholders, the more clear I am that I want nothing of this the more they pay me to stick around anyway, despite my also being clear that I'm only sticking around because I don't have any options that don't have suits and Human Resources departments and shareholders. Embracing it might make you happier, but for the last year and a half open contempt has paid off pretty well for me.
Nah. I love programming, I love everyone who got dragged kicking and screaming from the nonprofit to the corporate world along with me, and I love my users. I just hate the people signing the checks and the humiliating corporate bullshit that comes with them. If they'd just slurp up whatever was left after we'd covered our expenses and paid ourself and otherwise left us the fuck alone I'd be perfectly content.
Do you have an option to work for yourself ? I know a programmer who does that. He charges something like $250 an hour, works from home mostly and gets government contracts because the government can't get anything done on time on account of not just letting people get to work.
You're illustrating my point: you want fucking nothing to do with it, you're telling them you want fucking nothing to do with it, and you're willfully encouraging those around you not to advance you. Embracing it would bring you deeper into the fold, which is quite clearly the last thing you want.
I've definitely seen this attitude working out for me. Two examples: Firstly, in my current job, I was initially on a temporary contract. At the end of that contract they asked to go permanent as well as take on some more hours. I said yes but I want £2,000 p.a. more than I'm getting now. I got it, plus another raise a few months later at the end of the business year. In my freelancing, basically all of my work has been with one company. However, I have been raising my prices gradually with each new bit of work. For the last piece I completed I got the same amount for one normal day's worth of work as I did for an entire 2/3 day's worth when I started out. And those 2/3 days were on a weekend too.