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xygarde  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Will the Left Survive the Millennials?

I won't opine on Hillary, but I agree with his sentiment.

Cars are bullshit because because they are clunky and high maintenance and driving through city traffic sucks. Can't afford anything other than a clunker as the only jobs available are at McColesworth. Taking the bus is often just as fast, unless you live in the suburbs in which case, during rush hour, taking the train is faster.

Houses are bullshit because they can cost upwards of a million dollars unless you want to live far away from the city centre. Except that then you'll have to spend hours commuting to the center where all the jobs are or buy a car and still spend a significant amount of time going through motorways that run as slow as molasses. Rent is increased in accordance with the house prices so good luck saving enough to afford a house in the future.





user-inactivated  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think I can comment too much on cars, because I will admit I'm very biased in the subject. I will say that I've discovered, talking with people from across the country online, that someone's attitude towards cars depends a lot on where they live. People who live in big cities who are stuck in traffic all the time tend to not like cars as much, and because things in cities tend to be slightly more convenient, it's easier to not depend on them. People in more rural areas aren't stuck in traffic, so they find driving and car ownership to be a lot more pleasant. Additionally, because the nearest stores, hospitals, and other places aren't within walking distance, cars are seen as an accepted necessity.

In a lot of ways, houses make sense, it just sucks cause they're so expensive. With apartments you tend to have two options, an affordable place in a not so good neighborhood, or a place in a good neighborhood that costs more than a reasonable mortgage. I've noticed that there's not much in between the two options where we live. For houses though, the neighborhoods we have to choose from are much more diverse, so there's a sliding scale for us to work with. When it comes to home ownership or renting an apartment, there's pros and cons to both financially that I'm sure others are better qualified to address than I am. For us though, home ownership seems like the right move and a goal worth working towards.

kleinbl00  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The sentiment is understood and obvious. The argument is elementary - absolutely everyone understands at some level that millennials can't afford to contribute to the economy with their McJobs and that they love living at home just as little as their parents do.

But this whole "fuck you it's bullshit" mentality is so much less useful than "fuck you pay me." Nobody can do anything about "it's bullshit." "pay me" is an economic argument with numbers and shit.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What's the functional difference between fuck you it's bullshit and fuck you pay me? Yeah, it's an economic argument, but if individuals aren't faring that much better than they were since the recession, and with your above point on the three generations in the workforce, how is "fuck you, pay me" even supposed to work?

kleinbl00  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Fuck you it's bullshit" - I have no specific arguments about the problem, only rage.

"Fuck you pay me" - I have a very specific argument about the problem related directly to my lack of compensation for labor.

The first argument is a denial of argument. The second is an appeal to economics.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thank you.