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kleinbl00  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Will the Left Survive the Millennials?

Your mental state does not equate to a rhetorical advantage. Shitposting drunk and being mad is about the most entitled shit someone can do, second possibly to arguing that your point should stand because of your personal state.

The argument is put forth is that millennials suffer undue profiling as reactionary, entitled little shits. Your move is to act like a reactionary, entitled little shit and then when called on it, DOUBLE DOWN.

I'm sorry you had a shit week. I'm sorry you feel oppressed. I'm sorry you're salty.

I'm not sorry for slapping you in the face.

Make a point about THE PROBLEM not your feelz.





ButterflyEffect  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My point about the problem is there's nothing I can do about it as an individual so what's the point.

kleinbl00  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

such a bullshit argument, dude.

    By 2014, 36 percent of the U.S. workforce will be comprised of this generation and by 2020, nearly half (46 percent) of all U.S. workers will be Pesky Whipper-Snappers (Lynch, 2008). By comparison, the generation before them, Generation X (or Gen Xers), represent only 16 percent of today's workforce.

Millennials have all the economic cards. The "gig economy" exists because of millennials. By framing the argument as one of "sour grapes" rather than "economics" you are directly harming your own ability to fix your problems.

"Fuck this bullshit, there's nothing I can do" is the argument of someone who has given up.

"Fuck this bullshit, I deserve a raise" is the argument of a person likely to get a raise.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is that actually how that works? I'd be interested in wage raises within a company versus jumping companies, that seems to be where getting paid your worth really occurs. Which, of course, typically involves relocation and a reintegration into a corporate structure you may or may not agree with.

kleinbl00  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"I want more" is a clear business proposition. So is "I don't want this." "I want more encourages further engagement with the existing structure, often with modification of the relationship. "I don't want this" discourages further engagement with the existing structure and risks being disenfranchised when someone shows up wanting more.

Try it. Approach work from an "I want more of this" attitude. You will end up with more.

Or, you know, approach it from an "I want nothing of this" attitude. See how long you last.

user-inactivated  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Got to say, since getting dragged kicking and screaming into the land of suits and Human Resources departments and shareholders, the more clear I am that I want nothing of this the more they pay me to stick around anyway, despite my also being clear that I'm only sticking around because I don't have any options that don't have suits and Human Resources departments and shareholders. Embracing it might make you happier, but for the last year and a half open contempt has paid off pretty well for me.

oyster  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sounds like somebody should move to a resort town, get a good full time job, cheap AF accomodations, and just enjoy life in a kick ass place. It's a pretty great time.

user-inactivated  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Nah. I love programming, I love everyone who got dragged kicking and screaming from the nonprofit to the corporate world along with me, and I love my users. I just hate the people signing the checks and the humiliating corporate bullshit that comes with them. If they'd just slurp up whatever was left after we'd covered our expenses and paid ourself and otherwise left us the fuck alone I'd be perfectly content.

oyster  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do you have an option to work for yourself ? I know a programmer who does that. He charges something like $250 an hour, works from home mostly and gets government contracts because the government can't get anything done on time on account of not just letting people get to work.

kleinbl00  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're illustrating my point: you want fucking nothing to do with it, you're telling them you want fucking nothing to do with it, and you're willfully encouraging those around you not to advance you.

Embracing it would bring you deeper into the fold, which is quite clearly the last thing you want.

rezzeJ  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've definitely seen this attitude working out for me. Two examples:

Firstly, in my current job, I was initially on a temporary contract. At the end of that contract they asked to go permanent as well as take on some more hours. I said yes but I want £2,000 p.a. more than I'm getting now. I got it, plus another raise a few months later at the end of the business year.

In my freelancing, basically all of my work has been with one company. However, I have been raising my prices gradually with each new bit of work. For the last piece I completed I got the same amount for one normal day's worth of work as I did for an entire 2/3 day's worth when I started out. And those 2/3 days were on a weekend too.