If you have read this before or this is a re-post, I apologize. However this article and phrase have been coming up in my mind a lot recently. I have been advising people to "consider the lobster," by which I generally think I mean, "Take everything you're thinking, throw it out, flip it upside down, and consider the newest, perhaps least initially considered 'important' perspective you can. "
Oh, damn it. I found NikolaiFyodorov's original post which has some good discussion on it. So go there instead. If this sinks into the hub unnoticed I'll nuke it for space. I also think the directive sounds whimsical.
Now I think I would like a lobster tattoo. But give it six months. :)
organicAnt - I think this article does an excellent job of considering the uncomfortable aspects of eating meat and animals without making the audience, which I think we can safely assume are a majority omnivores, feel too guilty. I certainly did not feel attacked but rather, as always, "Consider the Lobster" leaves me questioning, considering, and examining my own perspectives. I think this is a very effective piece because it is not incendiary and it is not judgmental, but it does not mince its words, facts or perspectives either. Then again apparently the article got quite a mixed reception from Gourmet readers so maybe other people would not agree with my feelings on it.
I think it is an excellent piece.
Hi _refugee_ I'm really happy that you have found something that speaks to you. I'd be interested to learn what impact it had on the way you see animals used for human consumption and pleasure? In what ways has it prompted you to change your lifestyle? Personally, when I was a meat eater, this article would've never spoken to me. Firstly, because the first half is long winded and uninteresting and secondly because I'd have not been able to relate to crabs as much as I related to cows, pigs and chickens. Reading it now though, all the descriptions of how the crabs are treated make me feel sick and regretful that I was ever part of such heartless and barbaric tradition. I have heard several testimonies of people who said they needed a "right kick up the butt" and became vegan only after watching a presentation by the controversial vegan activist Gary Yourofsky, whom many perceive as an arrogant and violent character. My point is one that I have repeated before. Because we're all at different stages in our awareness journey, I don't believe that there is any single method of animal rights activism that will speak to everyone and I'm sincerely sorry that my approach didn't reach you but as a fellow vegan once said:
Point being that for a lot of people no matter how the message is transmitted, they will always find a reason (excuse?) not to listen to it. There are vegan nutritionists who try to make the case for veganism through their knowledge of the health requirements of the human body. There are vegan 'chefs' sharing recipes and vegan lifestyle tips and hints. There are vegan athletes and body builders who hope to inspire through their physical prowess. There are vegan artists trying to poke through the status quo bubble with humour and sarcasm. There are vegan gardeners, who try to reach people's compassion through their love for nature. There are law professors who use logic and reasoning to promote veganism. There are feminists who spread the connection between animal and female abuse. Heck, there are medical doctors who have dedicated their lives to promote the benefits of a plant based diet. And then there is me, a web developer and second language English speaker, with a computer and severely lacking social skills who, like other vegans, feels frustrated at the senseless unnecessary subjugation and suffering imposed by our species on the rest of the animal kingdom, doing what I know to try and make the world a bit more conscious and a little less cruel. Even if I don't succeed at least it helps me sleep at night that I try.If you aren't vegan and you're trying to tell me how best to get the message across - then just tell me what to say to you, and I'll say it back, and then you'll go vegan right?
organicAnt, I will admit that I have filtered out your posts since I had come to picture you as a person continually yelling at others and it was exhausting to read. That being said, I enjoyed this comment and I'm glad I came across you links at the end, I intend to check them out when I have more time. I'm not going to get into a discussion with you. I did want to share a few thoughts though. I was raised in a religious household and was a strong believer until I was getting ready to graduate college. Now, i would consider myself, to chooses the simplistic and shortest description, an agnostic atheist. The processes of getting there there however, was long and slow. Violent arguments from frustrated people used to repel me and only hardened my mind against accepting a different point of view. Writers like Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris came off as arrogant, frustrated, and unpleasant. I didn't want to agree with them. What changed my mind was being inundated with a flood of resources to do my own research and my mind slowly changed over time. Vitriol and preaching just hardened me against the message. Something to consider. I have also stopped eating as much meat, maybe the process with repeat and in time I will become vegan, who knows? Then again, like you said, there isn't a single best method of activism that will speak to everyone.
So I'm going to attempt to respond kind in order of the points that you raised. Bear with me. I first read this article a few years ago. Frankly I don't eat lobster so directly, no, it hasn't changed my eating habits (because 0 remains 0) even after the first time that I read this. I wanted to revisit the article because the phrase has been getting stuck in my head and I have been using it in a metaphorical sense conversationally, and I wanted to revisit what I was referencing (first bc I like the article, second bc if you're going to reference something do it right). If I am honest the thing that I have read on Hubski that disgusted/disturbed/really resonated with me the most about animal product consumption was this discussion here which I did comment on. I think personally that had a big impact on me because as a feminist, and a person who has had and seen shitty things happen to them and others, "rape" is kind of a hot topic. AKA I think it's horrific and don't wish to help propagate it, even on cows, and that process as described strikes me pretty clearly as inhumane. I don't want to get pregnant ever, and those cows are forced to constantly be pregnant. That would be like hell. What I like about this article is that I think it took a topic that was very human-centered, even though it was ostensibly about lobsters, and it flipped the focus upside down. It is ironic that it is surprising to read an article about a lobster festival that focuses on the lobsters. I also am a big fan of David Foster Wallace's writing in general, so this style appeals to me. I am also pretty familiar with it as I've read a fair bit of his work. I would say that I think DFW can be jarring at first, but now that I am familiar with his style, I know what to expect - two pages of footnotes, for instance! I also like this article because I think it does force its readers to consider moral questions without necessarily condemning them (the readers). I like that DFW points out the "mental gymnastics" people do to avoid facing the reality of where their meal comes from. I found DFW to be a sympathetic narrator because, while the essay really is about the brutality of a mass lobster massacre, he discusses his own cognitive dissonance with that experience and I can relate to him. I think a subtle part of the article that really helps me relate to DFW is that, while the article's all about lobster and I know he spent several days at a lobster festival, I have no idea whether he decided to eat lobster or not as he began to turn over these moral questions in his head. I think this was actually a pretty great move on his part. He clearly feels torn, at minimum, about lobsters and eating meat. I think the point of the article is not to say one stance is right or wrong but to say, "These are things that bother me," and "Did you think about this?" and then leave those questions with the reader. If DFW made a choice and stated he either did or didn't eat the lobster, then he'd be telling us which moral position to take. This instead forces readers to consider the questions for themselves and come to their own conclusion. Which, by the way, I think means makes it harder for the article to polarize or divide people, and I also think it makes readers think way more than they would if DFW had taken a clear stance either way. You know, when I shouted out to you, I was worried that I might seem ... like I was trying to tell you how to go about things. And I'm not. However, I know that the discussion of how to approach people about meat-eating has come up a lot on Hubski, often when you are involved in the situation. So I wanted to shout out to you because I wanted to say, "here is an example of something that got to me way more than just being told one thing is RIght and one thing is Wrong." People are contrary. If you tell them their view is 100% Black and White Wrong, i think they are going to cling to it much more stubbbornly than if you start to demonstrate the gray areas that surround their beliefs. When discussions have come up about "various methods to approach this topic," it has not always seemed to me like everyone has been able to communicate what they mean clearly. So for me, this seemed a great example of the kind of communication that I found effective (on myself, of course). I was touched by this article and it made me think. That doesn't mean it works for everyone or that I'm trying to tell you this should be your approach, I realize it might have seemed that way after the fact but really that wasn't the intent. Unfortunately, I think some people out there in the world promote veganism in ways that do not help its cause. I used to have this book. It promotes veganism. It does talk a lot about meat and dairy products and this book is actually why I decided to avoid/try to cut out dairy. I confess that if there's milk powder in some processed food I eat I don't know it, but I avoid products that are clearly dairy. However....while this book influenced me in a way... I don't really think that telling people to become vegan so they can be skinny bitches is really the motivation you want assocaited with your cause. There are people who make veganism look good and people who make it look - maybe not bad, but maybe a little frivolous or silly. Such is the case with most if not all topics and causes. You of course should play to your own strengths. But I thought it might be valuable to point out something that had an impact on me, personally, as an alterative way the topic can be approached that does influence me more than most of your discussions have. I don't need you to modify your approach to influence me: these things have already influenced me as much as they have. I just want to say, "Hey, this is something that helped make me think more seriously about this topic." If you hate the article you hate it and that's ok :)
That's ok. I enjoyed reading why it worked for you and I have a better understanding why you liked it : ) I didn't dislike the article, it is well written (not that I'd be able to recognise good literature if it hit me on the face) but as a vegan it feels like it sits on the fence of abuse. I wonder if the author would've taken the same neutral stance if he was writing about a more commonly recognizable kind of discrimination/abuse such as rape or racism. It feels like he took the politically safe approach in an attempt not to alienate his readers. But the biggest disappointment to me is that by being neutral he comes across balanced on a subject where balance doesn't exist! And that misrepresents the victims. Still I appreciate that such writing exists and speaks to someone out here.
Apparently the article was considered quite controversial. I'm in agreement with you though in that I don't feel it is at all. It puzzles me a little that according to what I've read the article caused quite a stir. I guess my favorite part about it is that I am sure the editor meant for DFW to come back with an article about the fair and how delicious it was and the experience of the fair (I mean this is Gourmet magazine, right) - and instead he came back telling the story of the lobster. The fair is basically a back-drop to the lobsters. I think that approach at least shows the lobsters some - respect. Regard. More consideration than usual, anyway. I like lobsters as animals. I tend to like sea creatures. It makes me sad that lobsters can live indefinitely in the ocean, to massive sizes, except that we've fished them so much that there are few giant lobsters and there will be fewer in the future too I'm sure. I think that we live in a world whose natural quality, beauty, and diversity has been and continues to be declining at a depressing clip. I think that we are the ones responsible for that. I think it is more than a shame that the children of the future will live in a more diminished world, and yet think it is something satisfying and wonderful. I would like there to be monstrous lobsters.
Nah, your long comments are always worth the read :)
Fwiw I went through all the links you provided and really enjoyed the insight into that world. But using VeganGains as an example is something you should avoid. He routinely puts people off having an open minded approach to being vegan with his abuse of people. Myself included. Just a point I wanted to make, I knew what the link would lead to when I read vegan bodybuilder. I'll be completely honest and say I don't know of any vegan bodybuilders who would be a much better example but I have no doubt they are out there, it's just not a niche I know enough about. I do know he's a nasty one to try and be inspired by though.
Good to hear. Stay tuned for more to come. He is definitely a controversial character and I don't agree with his violent side. But I think he does it to cause controversy. That's what YouTube thrives on and his quick success since he joined in December last year proves it's working. He's the third most popular Vegan YouTube channel. What kind of personal abuse did you get? Are you still referring to Vegan Gains? I posted a video of a much better example of a vegan body builder than him. Check it out: The Story of a 78-Year-Old Vegan Bodybuilder - Jim Morris: Lifelong Fitness - Short Film.Fwiw I went through all the links you provided and really enjoyed the insight into that world.
But using VeganGains as an example is something you should avoid. He routinely puts people off having an open minded approach to being vegan with his abuse of people. Myself included.
I'll be completely honest and say I don't know of any vegan bodybuilders who would be a much better example
I've caught a lot of lobster off the coast of LA. We hoop net by the breakwall in Redondo. Usually they're just over a foot long at the beginning of the season and by the end it's hard to find a legal one. I always let the men deal with the killing part. They use the "knife through the skull" method instead of the boiling alive method. They also had the same mentality as the David Foster Wallace mentioned: Typically we catch 10-20 lobsters a session, so the rest of the tails get frozen in milk cartons filled with ocean water until they are ready to be eaten. Fresh lobster is better, but 2 day old lobster that's been frozen in saltwater isn't noticeably different. It is fucking ordeal to catch lobsters yourself – which is why those lobsters taste way better than the same lobsters from the fish market. We typically get down to the harbor at 4:30 or 5, grab some scraps of bait from the fish market, untangle the nets, hope there aren't maggots in them, put the bait scraps in pantyhose, tie those to the nets, find leftover 2 liter bottles in the recycling, put glowsticks in them, tie those to the nets, pack everything and a case of beer into the dingy, and set off. Then we drop all the nets one by one, circle back to the first one, pull it up, grab any lobster, check the length, throw them back if they are undersized, add new bait if it's gone, drop it the net back down, and repeat until we've hit our limit or we are too cold, wet, and stinky to do it anymore. I never really thought about the killing part or pain that the lobster feel, beyond the fact that I'm too squeamish to take part in it myself. I don't necessarily like it but I don't know if it is better or worse than the slabs of pink meat I pick off the shelf at the grocery store every week. I have a higher respect for hunters who hunt, kill, skin, butcher, and eat their own meat than I have for myself picking $15 steaks out of a fridge. There really is something to eating something that required effort to obtain. I don't know. It's easier to ignore the death or horrible shit or pain or whatever. (This applies to everything - not just lobster.) Taking a moment to think about it instead of ignoring it or forcing it to the back of your mind is probably better in some sense. But it's also fucking depressing. One thing about being human is we get to rule this Earth - for better or for worse. I think the takeaway from this piece is that we should all be more aware and reflective about the things we do, or animals we eat, or choices we make every day. The things that are easy to ignore can be quite interesting when examined – especially when examined by David Foster Wallace in ten thousand words. Does it mean that I'll stop eating lobster? No. Does it mean I'll think twice before throwing the lobster into the dingy next season? Not at all. But I'll probably think back to this essay next time I'm trying to wash the saltwater and fish smell out of my skin while licking my lips and watching lobster tails boil magnificently. Another thing about being human is we are capable of being reflective and empathetic. Maybe we should try to do more of the latter as we are ruling the world....plus that a willingness to exert personal agency and accept responsibility for stabbing the lobster’s head honors the lobster somehow and entitles one to eat it.
Just me who spotted the contradiction in these two consecutive sentences? On one sentence you say you don't give a shit about suffering you may cause on other creatures and on the next sentence you say we should give a shit? Which is it?One thing about being human is we get to rule this Earth - for better or for worse.
Yes, and because we rule the world we should do it consciously and responsibly if we don't want to go down the road of self-destruction like we've been doing. But I'll probably think back to this essay next time I'm trying to wash the saltwater and fish smell out of my skin while licking my lips and watching lobster tails boil magnificently. Another thing about being human is we are capable of being reflective and empathetic.
I've promised myself I wouldn't ever engage with you, but I'm breaking my own rule here. This is the dumbest, meanest, most worthless fucking thing I've ever read on this site. Where in your rotten conscience did you read "I don't give a shit about suffering"? She said "for better or worse" humans are the hegemons on Earth. That's a qualified position if I've ever read one. Then she says that she has a conflict in her own thinking between wanting to catch food and eat it and the human ability to feel empathy. I suppose it's lost on you because there's subtlety and nuance in the statement. Fuck off. Hard.
What is the "dumbest, meanest, most worthless fucking thing" is to claim you care about something and them do the opposite. To claim you care about animals and then eat them is extreme cognitive dissonance at its prime.
This statement is, also, not incredibly intelligent. I care about a lot of animals more than I care about most people, and would not want them to suffer. This however doesn't keep me from eating them because I need sustenance and my body was designed to eat omnivorously. Do you seriously think that you know better than around 200,000 years of human evolution that has designed you to be able to eat meat, as well as fruits and vegetables? So you're under the assumption that because plants can't tell you that they feel pain that they don't and their life isn't as valuable as your animals are? You realize that plants are more important than animals as far as your existence is concerned because without them you would have no oxygen and die. By your logic you should just not eat, wither away and die.
The human body is not designed to eat animal products. See this chart: No, I think doctors and science known better. We are opportunistic omnivores, not obligate omnivores. We adapted to eat meat for survival. The western society is not only well past survival point but the consumption of animal products is damaging our health, environment and depleting resources unnecessarily. You don't have to believe me, read through this website and follow the references on it if you're still sceptic: http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/ The comparison of plants to animals is a common one when you ran out of arguments. A lot of plants give their fruits freely without needing to damage the whole plant but let's say that the plants we kill do feel pain. Veganism is about reducing UNECESSARY suffering. We eat plants to survive while animals are enslaved and killed purely for human enjoyment. Yes.I care about a lot of animals more than I care about most people, and would not want them to suffer. This however doesn't keep me from eating them because I need sustenance and my body was designed to eat omnivorously.
Do you seriously think that you know better than around 200,000 years of human evolution that has designed you to be able to eat meat, as well as fruits and vegetables?
So you're under the assumption that because plants can't tell you that they feel pain that they don't and their life isn't as valuable as your animals are?
You realize that plants are more important than animals as far as your existence is concerned because without them you would have no oxygen and die.
By your logic you should just not eat, wither away and die.
Where did I say that? You do know you don't need animal products to be healthy? This is not a new concept.
Your first point is wrong- check your teeth. Your second point is wrong- doctor's and science disagree with you. I'm not saying you can't develop a diet that sustains you healthily on only meat or veggies, but you were designed for both. Your third point is wrong- its a valid argument, I am very into horticulture and there are male and female plants that both show signs of stress when you change any environmental factor or cut them up. They don't readily give you fruit, you're eating their reproductive cycle. I'm glad you agree on the fourth point because it's accurate and therefore make animals less important in the scheme of things to us. Your fifth point- where you stated you can't care about animals and eat them. As plants are more important life than animals, you should care about their lives and suffering more than animals, therefore, you should kill and eat nothing/die.
I'm sorry there's so much wrong with your comment that I have ran out of energy to reply. It looks like you completely ignored my previous effort to reply to you with blank "you are wrong" replies. To the point that I'm no longer sure if you're serious or just trolling.
Pretend it's 2004. You've got a good set of knives, a decent set of pots, a subscription to Scientific American, a subscription to Newsweek and a subscription to Gourmet... because you like their recipes, and you like that they put their food first and foremost. It's an aspirational read, to be sure - you'll never own the Rolex they're selling inside the cover. You'll never enjoy whatever it is they're telling you is enjoyable on the coast of Mali. That cute new bed'n'breakfast that opened up in Fiji for $900 a night? You'll never stay there. It's fun to read about, but those pictures are as close as you'll ever get. Oh, but the food. Gourmet doesn't fuck around with food. They'll tell you how you have to eat mangosteens, and will even tell you how to smuggle them in your luggage. They'll tell you about all the great street food to be had in Havana, and will even tell you how to evade the US travel embargo. When it's Thanksgiving, they'll cook 140 turkeys 140 different ways in order to give you their best practices. Their recipes are so tried and true that people bind the issues and keep them for decades. I had a girlfriend with 1971-1979 bound in red leather; the Rolls Royce ads and all the coked up models with their Baccarat really made it. So you open your August 2004 Gourmet, expecting barbecue snobbery, potato salad snobbery, how the true glitterati are taking in the sun in Bairritz, not East Hampton and oh by the way, Movados are for poseurs. And you turn the page, and there's David "Infinite Jest" Foster Wallace deciding you need to feel bad about eating lobster. 1) If you read Gourmet, your mind is made up about lobster. 2) If you've ever cooked a lobster, your mind is made up about lobster. 3) If you've ever eaten lobster, your mind is made up about lobster. 4) If your mind isn't made up about lobster, there are better avenues to discovery than Gourmet. 5) If your mind isn't made up about lobster, trudging through eight thousand words of David Foster Wallace isn't going to help. It was controversial not because of anything it said. It was controversial the way Hunter S. Thompson stories are always controversial - "We asked you to write photo captions for an article on desert racing and you gave us Fear and Loathing." It was controversial because DFW clearly didn't give the first fuck about his audience, how to reach them, who they were or what he was being paid to write. It was controversial because DFW took Gourmet's money and then said "fuck everyone who reads Gourmet, lobsters are people, too." Your average Gourmet reader overthought her food. She knew which store had better pie apples. She had a fishmonger she trusted. If she was a vegetarian, it's because she'd thought about it and come to her own conclusions. If she wasn't a vegetarian, it's because she'd thought about it and come to her own conclusions. The DFW piece essentially says "you haven't ever thought about this, so I'm going to do it for you, you poor simp. Here's 20 footnotes." Bitch, VEAL CRATES were legal in all 50 states in 2004. We were dropping phosphorus on Iraq. You wanna talk about impotent suffering, going gonzo over sea cockroaches is a stupid place to start. Important note: like most people, I've never kept lobsters as pets. Unlike most people, I did have a 20-gallon tank with four eight-inch crawdads in it for several years. They were brought back from a science trip by my dad, who expected to eat them, but my sister and I decided the aquarium wasn't doing anything so we kept them there, next to the dining room table, from 2nd to 6th grade when we returned them to nature. Four hour drive. Turned it into a week-long camping trip. Empathy for crustaceans? I haz it. Crawdads are not lobsters. They're about as close as you can get, though. There are houseplants that are more interesting than crawdads. Spiders are more interactive. If "sapient" (the word DFW misuses - it actually means "human-like") is a binary condition, then bacteria are "sapient." If "sapient" is a gradient, then lobsters are hella closer to bacteria than they are to chickens. It's also 2004 - these have been on the air for 9 months. Chicken Run was 4 years previous. Finding Nemo was the year before. Babe Pig in the City five years before that. It's 2004 and cows, pigs, chickens, and fish all have cute little mascots that your son or daughter are likely to bring up around supper time and here comes David Foster Wallace, here to convince you that you should feel bad about eating something that would absolutely eat you if it could figure out how. It's controversial because people don't read Gourmet to be lectured about their choices. No lie. I cancelled my subscription over this article. My choice to eat lobster is not going to be dictated by some simp English teacher from Pomona College.In any event, at the Festival, standing by the bubbling tanks outside the World’s Largest Lobster Cooker, watching the fresh-caught lobsters pile over one another, wave their hobbled claws impotently, huddle in the rear corners, or scrabble frantically back from the glass as you approach, it is difficult not to sense that they’re unhappy, or frightened, even if it’s some rudimentary version of these feelings …and, again, why does rudimentariness even enter into it? Why is a primitive, inarticulate form of suffering less urgent or uncomfortable for the person who’s helping to inflict it by paying for the food it results in? I’m not trying to give you a PETA-like screed here—at least I don’t think so.
He's not really lecturing though, is he? To me the tone seemed more as if he realized he had never really thought about the topic previously and that the whole situation seemed surreal to him. In trying to understand that feeling he did further investigation and had to think much more deeply than he ever anticipated. He then tried to convey this to the reader. I love this piece. Then again, I didn't read this in Gourmet magazine.It's controversial because people don't read Gourmet to be lectured about their choices.
He's absolutely lecturing. The title of the piece is a command: "CONSIDER the lobster." There is no room for the notion that everyone reading had already considered the lobster and had come to their own conclusions. More than that, it's a piece on a lobster festival - an archetypal slice of americana in which only four of the article's 32 paragraphs are even glancingly about the festival itself.
If someone turned in an 8,000 word video game review in which barely a thousand words were about the video game but seven thousand were about the ethics of free-to-play, no one would consider it a good article - ...unless it was written by David Foster Wallace. Finally, there's this: This is a magazine article by a freelance contributor that finishes with SIX questions. How, exactly, is Mr. Wallace supposed to get his answers? How can they therefore be anything other than rhetorical? And how is finishing an 8,000 word screed with rhetorical questions anything but condescending and trite? People tell me I oughtta read David Foster Wallace about twice a year. They have since he was alive. And every now and then I get forgetful and think "You know, I really oughtta read The Infinite Jest. People dig that." And then whoever I'm talking to says "You totally should! DFW is, like, SOOOOOO amazing!" And then I remember that David Foster Wallace wrote that shite lobster piece in Gourmet.Given this article’s venue and my own lack of culinary sophistication, I’m curious about whether the reader can identify with any of these reactions and acknowledgments and discomforts. I am also concerned not to come off as shrill or preachy when what I really am is confused. Given the (possible) moral status and (very possible) physical suffering of the animals involved, what ethical convictions do gourmets evolve that allow them not just to eat but to savor and enjoy flesh-based viands (since of course refined enjoyment, rather than just ingestion, is the whole point of gastronomy)? And for those gourmets who’ll have no truck with convictions or rationales and who regard stuff like the previous paragraph as just so much pointless navel-gazing, what makes it feel okay, inside, to dismiss the whole issue out of hand? That is, is their refusal to think about any of this the product of actual thought, or is it just that they don’t want to think about it? Do they ever think about their reluctance to think about it? After all, isn’t being extra aware and attentive and thoughtful about one’s food and its overall context part of what distinguishes a real gourmet? Or is all the gourmet’s extra attention and sensibility just supposed to be aesthetic, gustatory?
Huh, the reference didn't occur to me. I'll admit to missing the mark, though I suppose I place different connotations on "a lecture" and "lecturing". I really should have reread the whole article before posting my comment, I was working off my memory of it.
FWIW, I don't hate the writing. I like DFW's prose, but I happen to disagree strongly with him about the sentience of a lobster. It's a piece that has stuck around in the popular consciousness for a long time, however, so clearly many people think it's worth a read.
Yep. I've seen this article in the past and I've never read it until just now. In fact, it was kleinbl00's comment that finally made me read it. Not for his praise of it, but because I had to see for myself if his criticism of it was just. He is most certainly lecturing and not just that, he's doing it while snidely mocking the everyday men and women that flock to such "fairs." -As someone that lived in a town with one of the largest "art" fairs in the U.S., I can sympathize with his characterization of this group, but still...it's a lecture. You had a great comment in the past regarding the "pain" aspect.
Rereading your quote, I will concede that I may have misremembered his tone, but I don't believe he is overly scolding or reprimanding. He is an outsider and I still think he seems genuinely ignorant of the attitude within the culinary community, and at least initially, of his own. You seem to think it's put-on, I don't know, perhaps it is. Also:
Is this not what the Slow Food, farm-to-table, movement is all about? People like Michael Pollan and Alice Waters encourage putting more thought into where your food comes from, so where do you draw the line? Why not consider how your food is prepared as well? or at what cost? Given the context of where this was published, the intended audience, and perhaps what the assignment was, I could see why you would think this is a "shite lobster piece." Shouldn't you take umbrage with the editor instead though? If DFW was assigned a 1,000 word fluff piece on a lobster festival and turned in this, why would the magazine even publish it unless they wanted it in their magazine or found it compelling? Maybe they needed to fill pages? I'm honestly surprised that it happened and I'll admit that I find it a bit amusing. This was the first thing I ever read by David Foster Wallace and I read it in the collection of essays that goes by the same name. His experience following McCain on the presidential campaign trail might be my favorite, but similar to this one, he goes a bit off the rails. In fact, thinking about all of the essays I've read by him, this is just what he does. I enjoy that. And regarding your comment about a video game review, I would rather read your proposed non-review than a blurb about "compelling game play" and "impressive graphics." That industry could use more thought and insight. It's nice to see you around. I obviously don't always agree with you but I enjoy reading your comments.Do they ever think about their reluctance to think about it? After all, isn’t being extra aware and attentive and thoughtful about one’s food and its overall context part of what distinguishes a real gourmet? Or is all the gourmet’s extra attention and sensibility just supposed to be aesthetic, gustatory?
Once again, it comes to the context. If David Foster Wallace chose to venture down to the State Fair on his own dime to write his own essay about his own thing, his own conclusions in his own essay are entirely appropriate. HOWEVER, when you've been commissioned as a journalist to cover an event, your job is to cease to be an outsider. The goal of writing an article is to not only eliminate your own ignorance but work to dispel the ignorance of your readers. Here's David Karp on mangosteens, exactly thirteen months previously. Read that, you learn some stuff about mangosteens. Read David Foster Wallace, and you learn some stuff about David Foster Wallace. I don't give a shit about David Foster Wallace. If I'm to "consider the lobster" you'd best tell me about the lobster, not about what an asshole I am for eating one. I've heard that "going off the rails" was his thing. It isn't mine. Slow Food, farm-to-table is about food and our relationship with it, and about the inherent advantages of preparing food with care. This article is about not preparing food. As far as anger with the editors, remember - I canceled my subscription over this piece.He is an outsider and I still think he seems genuinely ignorant of the attitude within the culinary community, and at least initially, of his own. You seem to think it's put-on, I don't know, perhaps it is.
Context is everything, for sure. As far as meeting expectations, he failed. Had I given the assignment, I would likely not be pleased. I did learn about the lobster festival, although perhaps in a disagreeable tone, but little about lobsters what lobsters taste like. I did not get to vicariously attend the festival through his writing. Or perhaps I did, but through his subjective, questioning eyes. Which, I understand, is probably not what his readers were hoping for. I learned much more about lobsters than I could have predicted, and it was interesting! The history of lobsters as food, different "preparation" methods, their biology, their nervous system. This article was so much more than I could have expected going into it. Then again, I suppose that's the problem. The scope shifted. I enjoyed where it took me, what it taught me, and the thoughts it provoked from me; the readers of Gourmet Magazine, you being one of them, clearly did not. He essentially wrote an editorial blog post. It may have been appropriate if he was speaking as a member of the community and hoped to encourage self-reflection and discussion on the matter. It may be a topic for humanity-at-large to discuss, but one that chefs and culinary enthusiasts probably have an opinion on and using the pages of their magazine isn't the best place to wax philosophical or try to start such a discussion. I'm just happy to have read it.
The piece gets under my skin for several reasons. The first of which is I've had my writing compared to David Foster Wallace's several times by people who mean well and honestly wish to flatter. It's like when people attempt to sing my praises by quoting American Psycho. I should just be flattered. I'm not. The next of which is that the piece really was the turning point for Gourmet. They were a foodie's magazine about food and they decided they wanted to be an everything's magazine about everything. In an attempt to capture market share in a cooking-averse world dominated by The Food Network and useless blogs, they opted to go to long-form bullshit that wasn't about food. This article was in an issue that experienced the third style revamp in as many years, each of which came with the death of columns that were the high points of the magazine. They were bankrupt four years later. The last of which is it's a disorganized, self-indulgent mess. You extolled Michael Pollan earlier. You read Pollan and you know where you've been, you know where you're going, and you're on a journey with someone who is certain enough in their adventures to take you by the hand. That's how Ruth Reichl ran Gourmet... for the most part. They were a steadfast authority on food that would ensure that everything you read would enrich your experience with food. This article? Not even David Foster Wallace can tell if you should bother. Is it about lobster? Is it about eating lobster? Is it about the deep humanity of eating another creature? Is it about the deep inhumanity of eating another creature? Who knows? It's written by a genius, so it doesn't matter. Is this sort of waffling necessary? No. Nobody ever compares me to David Petersen.
At least Cook's Illustrated is still serious about food. I don't know if you know about it, or if you have a different replacement for Gourmet magazine, but Cook's is pretty legit.
So this post finally convinced me to read "Consider the Lobster", even though it has been referenced numerous times in various lectures throughout undergrad and grad school. I think the way the article ends is a wonderfully pointed but still respectful arrow, directed towards those who are unwilling to have the conversation at all. Wallace so excellently convinces one that, at the very least, we should be willing to discuss and ponder the ethics of our eating habits unless we want to remain intellectually destitute for the sake of protecting our lifestyles.
The original link no longer resolves, so here's the article saved by the Internet Archive.
Don't nuke it, his link doesn't work. EDIT: might as well mention that in my opinion DFW has happened upon the perfect phrase, as he so often does, to describe the situation -- it takes considerable "intellectual gymnastics" to allow yourself to eat a lobster and not feel bad in that indefinable way. But lobsters apparently taste good, I've never had one, so people do it anyway. This is human nature. The end.
Here's a short list of what was once (and some still are) considered "human nature" or the "natural order": Race discrimination, Religion discrimination, Gender discrimination, Sex discrimination, Age discrimination, Weight discrimination, and so on... Animal discrimination is an extension of the mentality that allowed (allows) the above to go on unquestioned because it's "human nature".But lobsters apparently taste good, I've never had one, so people do it anyway. This is human nature. The end.
It's called 'speciesism', right? I took a great philosophy class last year where we had some great lectures on the moral standing of non-human animals. Peter Singer's piece on animal liberation was part of the reading. He argues that non-human animals are morally not different than human animals, because they are equal in suffering, intelligence and other things. Why not treat them as morally equal? It's a very strong argument. My professor made the counterargument that Singer conflates two different kinds of equality: moral equality and factual equality. We humans are not all the exact same human (factual equality) but we do all have the same moral standing (moral equality). Moral equality is not dependent on factual equality: people who are factually better (e.g. talented / smart people) don't have a higher moral standing because of it. Hence, just because we're factually equal to animals in important regards (the ability to suffer, for example) is not a logical argument for equal moral standing. Have you read Peter Harrison's Do Animals Feel Pain? It seems up your alley.
Indeed. Which is why Wallace takes the masterful unassuming tone that he does. It's, quietly, an essay of unparalleled brilliance. To be able to come down so firmly on a controversial issue without ever giving the hint of offense is impressive.