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b_b  ·  1324 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: David Foster Wallace - Consider The Lobster

I've promised myself I wouldn't ever engage with you, but I'm breaking my own rule here. This is the dumbest, meanest, most worthless fucking thing I've ever read on this site.

Where in your rotten conscience did you read "I don't give a shit about suffering"? She said "for better or worse" humans are the hegemons on Earth. That's a qualified position if I've ever read one. Then she says that she has a conflict in her own thinking between wanting to catch food and eat it and the human ability to feel empathy. I suppose it's lost on you because there's subtlety and nuance in the statement.

Fuck off. Hard.




Meriadoc  ·  1324 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ahhhh, I love these moments where I remember why I love following you.

organicAnt  ·  1324 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What is the "dumbest, meanest, most worthless fucking thing" is to claim you care about something and them do the opposite. To claim you care about animals and then eat them is extreme cognitive dissonance at its prime.

randomuser  ·  1324 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This statement is, also, not incredibly intelligent. I care about a lot of animals more than I care about most people, and would not want them to suffer. This however doesn't keep me from eating them because I need sustenance and my body was designed to eat omnivorously. Do you seriously think that you know better than around 200,000 years of human evolution that has designed you to be able to eat meat, as well as fruits and vegetables? So you're under the assumption that because plants can't tell you that they feel pain that they don't and their life isn't as valuable as your animals are? You realize that plants are more important than animals as far as your existence is concerned because without them you would have no oxygen and die. By your logic you should just not eat, wither away and die.

organicAnt  ·  1324 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I care about a lot of animals more than I care about most people, and would not want them to suffer. This however doesn't keep me from eating them because I need sustenance and my body was designed to eat omnivorously.

The human body is not designed to eat animal products. See this chart:

    Do you seriously think that you know better than around 200,000 years of human evolution that has designed you to be able to eat meat, as well as fruits and vegetables?

No, I think doctors and science known better. We are opportunistic omnivores, not obligate omnivores. We adapted to eat meat for survival. The western society is not only well past survival point but the consumption of animal products is damaging our health, environment and depleting resources unnecessarily. You don't have to believe me, read through this website and follow the references on it if you're still sceptic: http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/

    So you're under the assumption that because plants can't tell you that they feel pain that they don't and their life isn't as valuable as your animals are?

The comparison of plants to animals is a common one when you ran out of arguments. A lot of plants give their fruits freely without needing to damage the whole plant but let's say that the plants we kill do feel pain. Veganism is about reducing UNECESSARY suffering. We eat plants to survive while animals are enslaved and killed purely for human enjoyment.

    You realize that plants are more important than animals as far as your existence is concerned because without them you would have no oxygen and die.

Yes.

    By your logic you should just not eat, wither away and die.
Where did I say that? You do know you don't need animal products to be healthy? This is not a new concept.
randomuser  ·  1324 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Your first point is wrong- check your teeth.

Your second point is wrong- doctor's and science disagree with you. I'm not saying you can't develop a diet that sustains you healthily on only meat or veggies, but you were designed for both.

Your third point is wrong- its a valid argument, I am very into horticulture and there are male and female plants that both show signs of stress when you change any environmental factor or cut them up. They don't readily give you fruit, you're eating their reproductive cycle.

I'm glad you agree on the fourth point because it's accurate and therefore make animals less important in the scheme of things to us.

Your fifth point- where you stated you can't care about animals and eat them. As plants are more important life than animals, you should care about their lives and suffering more than animals, therefore, you should kill and eat nothing/die.

_refugee_  ·  1324 days ago  ·  link  ·  
organicAnt  ·  1324 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm sorry there's so much wrong with your comment that I have ran out of energy to reply. It looks like you completely ignored my previous effort to reply to you with blank "you are wrong" replies. To the point that I'm no longer sure if you're serious or just trolling.