organicAnt, I will admit that I have filtered out your posts since I had come to picture you as a person continually yelling at others and it was exhausting to read. That being said, I enjoyed this comment and I'm glad I came across you links at the end, I intend to check them out when I have more time. I'm not going to get into a discussion with you. I did want to share a few thoughts though. I was raised in a religious household and was a strong believer until I was getting ready to graduate college. Now, i would consider myself, to chooses the simplistic and shortest description, an agnostic atheist. The processes of getting there there however, was long and slow. Violent arguments from frustrated people used to repel me and only hardened my mind against accepting a different point of view. Writers like Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris came off as arrogant, frustrated, and unpleasant. I didn't want to agree with them. What changed my mind was being inundated with a flood of resources to do my own research and my mind slowly changed over time. Vitriol and preaching just hardened me against the message. Something to consider. I have also stopped eating as much meat, maybe the process with repeat and in time I will become vegan, who knows? Then again, like you said, there isn't a single best method of activism that will speak to everyone.