There's so much about that article that boils my bones. I'm trying to even put it into words. I guess, what I see is a portrait of sad people who are looking to blame others for their problems, and a charlatan leading them, pointing them in the direction of a relatively easy target. He may not be Jim Jones, but these people sure have drunk the Kool-Aid. One thing that really struck me was the violence in the words, whether a "joke" or not 'he says he lodged a complaint against his ex, the beginning of a legal battle that led him to a hunger strike. "I should have killed the bitch five years ago," he tells me. "I'd be out by now."' 'Elam's proposal to make October "Bash a Violent Bitch Month," in which men should take the women who abuse them "by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won't fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles."' The whole section with the "Most Unconsensual hug I have ever known" is fucking nightmare fuel. this comment, however, brought a bit of a laugh: but only because if I didn't laugh, i'd have to cry.'Responding to a feminist critic, he once wrote, "The idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection."'
Elam's white, but he identifies with Malcolm X; he believes he needs to shock society to be heard. He says his talk of "the business end of a right hook" and women who are "freaking begging" to be raped is simply his version of Malcolm's "by any means necessary."
Jesus christ.
How fucking delusional and separated from the real world can one person be? I'm a frequenter of SRS so I see the terrible shit from redditors-- probably the most disconnected people on Earth-- all the time. But this is a completely different level. I can never decide if these people are more pathetic and worthless and meaningless to the general public, or to be terrified of them because they're dangerous and sociopathic, a small group, but will somehow be able to recruit a large amount of people.
it may seem an extreme reference, but this book was one of the first that came to mind as I read the article - Hence the Jim Jones reference. I don't think this dude is anywhere near as convincing as Jones of Koresh, but he's using a lot of the same tactics to a certain degree of effectiveness.I can never decide if these people are more pathetic and worthless and meaningless to the general public, or to be terrified of them because they're dangerous and sociopathic, a small group, but will somehow be able to recruit a large amount of people.
also loved the "cu-coo for coco puffs" comment in regards to a woman assumed to be cheating on her husband with a black man. I read that and was like, what the actual fuck.
Just gonna repost a comment I made a long while back that is, unfortunately, still painfully relevent: DUDE I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT.
There I was, at a party with some friends at college because I totally go to college and it's awesome. We were drinking the alcohol and all that because we are totally old enough to do it we were doing shots and drinking brewskis from keg my friend bought with his real ID card. Well, I am telling joke after hilarious joke and all the females there are looking at me. I'm pretty alpha so I start sizing them up. All except one.
She was your typical feminist. She had dread locks and kept talking about the patriarchy all the time. Sooooo annoying. We kind of just blew her off because we are so super alpha and you meet a lot of people at college so. NEWAY she's going off about it and I was pretty sick about it so I walked up to her and said "Let me ask you something. If you feminists have it all figured out, why do you keep friend zoning guys???"
Well, instead of arguing back, she just slaps me. We were all stunned! We didn't know what to do! So I looked at my friend and then I slapped her back!
She held her face for a second, but then she looked at me and said "Thanks for treating me like an equal."
Everyone applauded and the rest of the night was a blast and we drank a lot of alcohol together but we had college homeroom in the morning so not too late.
I don't normally go back to previous comments I've made and brag about them all smug-like, but this is one I come back to often. I made it in reference to someone who was complaining about men's rights - forget if it was on Hubski or not - and I had to channel all of my college-fraternity-ness to send that prick to the Shadow Realm.
If I'm being really honest, I'll admit that once upon a time, near my lowest of lows, I gave red pill philosophy some thought. Not the woman-hating part, because hate-sex isn't something I've ever done, and I don't plan on ever doing it. But the practical side of it? The part that says 'It is not the woman's fault you were rejected, it's yours.' The part that says if you want to succeed in the 'sexual marketplace' you need to have a product worth the price. Now, I'm thankful for the relationship I have. I know that when the time comes for me to find someone new it will probably take a while. I know that I'll probably have to put in a lot of effort, and get very little back. I also know that no one is to blame for that.
It sucks because it's such an easy thing to fall into, if you're impressionable, young, and got rejected by girls a couple of times. It's so tantalizing to be able to put all the onus on the girls that rejected you for "legitimate reasons" that get constructed and seem reasonable when you're in that vulnerable position. They don't like nice guys, they only go for ripped jerks, they don't like nerdy things like videogames! You don't have to put any of the blame on yourself, ever, and holy shit that probably feels good. I shudder to think about how close I was to that particular sun, Icarus-style. But if you fly too close to it you're an asshole and your wings probably deserved to be burnt off anyways.
See, I've never been there. Women have always been more interesting, funnier, easier to talk to, better dressed, kinder and definitely more aesthetically pleasing than men and any failures I've had in attracting the fair sex have always been seen by me as a personal failing. I mean, if I were a woman? I'd probably be a lesbian. I just dig everything about women so much more than men. It has been my experience that misogyny and narcissism are positively correlated.
Hey same here. My best friends have been girls for the majority of my life. Totally agree with everything you and kb have said. Edit: I was curious and ended up analyzing my texting habits and found that 8 of the 10 people I'm in the most frequent contact with / vice versa are female. Huh.
Girls are totally awesome. The worst relationship I ever had lasted 4 1/2 years. I was out drinking with... well, not buds because he's a scumbag that I don't hang out with anymore but anyway, with "a fellow male" and I came to the realization that I could do a lot worse for "life goal" than "surround myself with as many cool women as possible." It took another couple weeks before I came to the parallel realization that I was well on my way towards that goal when I met the girlfriend... who proceeded to push every single other woman (including relatives) out of my life. The relationship lasted another six weeks.
But the practical side of it? The part that says 'It is not the woman's fault you were rejected, it's yours.' The part that says if you want to succeed in the 'sexual marketplace' you need to have a product worth the price.| That's because that part is absolutely true. Where it becomes false is the assumption that you have to act a certain, super specific way, in order to be appealing on that "marketplace". Along with the assumption that all women only want "assertive" men. In reality, it's a group of socially awkward people learning that, guess what, if you improve the way you act, and learn to be confident in a social setting, you will be more successful in learning relationships! Sadly, the fact that is true turns into a group of people who think all women are as described above.
The article never passes judgement, yet it somehow creates a deep sense of disgust even without it. Good work, website I have no knowledge of.
I sense a common theme among the MRA's mentioned in this article: they've had shitty things happen to them, perpetrated by women. Now, I think a rational person would realize that these people did bad things to them not because they are simply women (though it's possible this does play into it, abstractly), but because they are FLAWED (perhaps even malicious) HUMAN BEINGS. Essentially what I'm saying is that these MRA's seem rather lazy more than anything, by blaming an entire gender for what one (or a few) women did to them. Instead, it was most likely a variety of factors that are impossible to sort out that motivated these women to act the way they did.
I think it's simpler than that. I think the men profiled in this article have chosen to regard their setbacks through a lens of emasculation. Frontline did a great piece fifteen years ago about homophobia, homosexuality and hate crime. They cited plenty of research demonstrating a direct correlation between repressed homosexual feelings and homophobia. I don't know if anyone has done similar research on misogyny but there's a pretty big leap from "bad things happened to me" to "bad things happened to me because of women." I know three men who have positively horrific tales associated with parenthood, custody and the courts. It's very easy to draw the conclusion that family courts are heavily biased towards mothers. None of these men, however, have signed up for the vast feminist conspiracy. All of them recognize their hardship as an unfortunate side effect of a judicial system attempting to balance out some of the financial bias against women in our society. It sucks, yeah, but it's not because women are out to get them it's because historically, divorced women get the shaft. That may no longer be the case (and isn't in their cases) but they don't draw any overarching conclusions from it. To make a big leap to an entire gender there has to be something deep driving the perspective to absurd heights. The whole concept of a "red pill" speaks to near cult-like self-delusion. This isn't The Matrix, the vagina is not out to get you and while your relationship with someone 60 lbs lighter than you might not be perfect I think we all know who opens the jars.
I knew the guy who drove the change on Wikipedia of the article about men's rights to be an article about about the men's rights _movement_. He got death threats for pointing out that the us constitution was not an appropriate citation for the topic. Fun group of people I hear.