There have been a number of posts in the past few weeks about some of our community being at a crossroads in their lives. Many of us have been through this and it can be very difficult. Society makes it seem like these times in our lives should be loaded with purpose, meaning, and clearly defined future goals. Those of us that have been through these moments: Graduating from High School/College, getting married, buying a home etc, know that they're often just moments like any other and don't necessarily come with any increased clarity of purpose.
For me, the moments that have had the greatest impacts on my life (outside of the birth of my children) have largely been ones I could not have predicted. I'll give an example of one below, but first one last word of wisdom to those going through a rough patch: We are made to think that we should know what it is we aspire to be, do etc. We often feel like our peers have it figured out more than we do. As you get older you begin to realize that NOBODY has it figured out and that everyone is just a pair of legs, a body, two arms, hands and a neck supporting a head full of indecision and insecurities. Once you realize this, you take comfort in it and bam it's all good. -Good luck
One of my surprise, life changing moments
I used to work for a food distribution company when I was younger. I would sell restaurants food, supplies and equipment. It was my first "real" job outside of working for restaurants. After about 5 years of doing it I was getting burned out and started looking for other options but unfortunately, I had dropped out of college my junior year and most of the careers in sales/business development that I would aspire to required a degree.
At my current company I was the "rookie of the year" and a two time "Presidents Club" winner and had just won "Chairmans Club". This was a pretty nice accomplishment for a guy as young as me and I was well thought of there. Because of my accomplishments and because of my lack of a degree, I entered in to their management training program and had pretty well resigned myself to spend my career with this company.
One day, my boss was spending the day with me. We visited restaurants all day, selling food, begging for restaurants to pay us what they owed, getting greasy and smelly as we attempted to "up sell" the latest designer french fry... -man, I hated this job.
At the end of the day I was driving her back to her car when I received a phone call from a sales recruiter. "Steven, this is John Salesrecruiter I saw your resume on linked in and think you may be a good fit for thisisyourdreamjob inc, can you talk right now?" I looked over at my boss sitting next to me and said, "John, thank you for calling, I appreciate the compliment but I am quite happy in my current position."
I blushed and explained the conversation to my boss, reassuring her as to how excited I was to be in the "management training program." I dropped her off and went on my way. Then about half way home I pulled over my car because a customer called and had forgotten to order some meaningless thing and insisted on getting it that night. I hung up with the customer and called John Salesrecruiter back.
"John, this is Steven, we spoke earlier regarding the position. Yeah, disregard everything I said, I am very interested." Two months, 5 interviews and one drug test later I had my dream job. Within 14 months I would be tripling my highest earning year at my previous job and I would be learning an entire new industry. My new company reimbursed a portion of the tuition required to finish my degree in Business Management. I've been with them 5 years now in July and I've since been promoted. I used to work about 60 hours a week before and now I do not. I have flexible hours and work from a home office. It's the shizzle.
I had literally accepted that my career would be one thing and with a phone call, that all changed.
By the way, a friend had told me about Linkedin and suggested I create an account. I never really thought it would actually do anything. -Big proponent of LInkedin.
It's amazing how much things can change in a short span. For me, that moment when the sales recruiter called me is one of the best, most unexpected moments of my life.
What about you? What's your unexpected moment(s)?
I was wasting away psychologically during my time in engineering undergrad. I felt like I was underachieving, not really heading in any particular direction. Absolutely terrified at the realization that I really have no plan to take care of myself without my parents. Then, my father was officially diagnosed with Amyloidosis and it changed everything for me. The intensity of watching my literal lifeline whither away sent something off in my mind and I found a large amount of myself. Everything my parents ever bothered to teach me about life began to make perfect sense is those moments as his life wound down. I even started to grow dreads as a sign to my father that I finally understood a lot of the lessons he tried to teach me and am remorseful for it taking his death to do so (he was a rasta dude.) I started working at friend's startup redistributing TurtleBots and trying to make turtlebot accessories, which didn't work out and I ended up working for a 3D printing company after. I live together in the home that he left behind with my partner and do everything I can to keep what he worked for alive. I can't describe the whirlwind of people, moments, and places that have transpired since that moment, but I've learned (and experienced) so much in the past 3 years. Life will never be the same.
This is going to be super stupid but when I watched Gurren Lagann. That show is dumb. It's so super dumb, it makes no sense, and I'd be embarrassed if anyone but my closest friends saw me watching it. But I watched it in a very stressful moment of my life, which was Senior year of High school. I was sick of everyone, I was even more cynical than I am now, and I had a very low opinion of myself. My friends and I watched Gurren Lagann while we were hanging out at my high-school after-midnight for two days, cramming for projects and the grand digital arts exam. Every hour we'd take a break and watch an episode. It's probably the most bonding moment I've ever had, watching a bunch of robots punch each other in the face. Our group of friends call ourselves the Gurren Brigade, and we all have spiral necklaces and make references to it all the time. We've been friends since middle-school and that show made our friendship stronger. Beyond that, it was a confidence booster, too. It was an over-the-top portrayal of the hero's journey that I needed at that point in my life. I still go back to this scene when I need a pick-me-up: I mean man, just watching it I know how stupid it is but I feel like I can take on the world after seeing it. It will never make sense to anyone but us, but I'm okay with that.
Maybe our paths crossed here in some weird way. Gurren Lagann was the first show I ever fansubbed, with BSS. It sent me into another weird tangent that included a nervous breakdown from typesetting Moyashimon and rigging an ethernet cable to my room in Iraq to spend 10 hours uploading Adobe Aftereffects overlays for Genius Party.
That day is so vivid in my mind. I can relive it, not that I would want to. Not that anyone would want to. On this specific day, my friend, at the age of 14, took his own life. This is something that changes you, especially when you're young. At the funeral, someone said something that helped me get over it extremely quickly though; "He was going to do it whether he was 14 or 30." It made me realize that yes, he was going to do it. It was better he did it then then if he had a wife and kids. The entire ordeal was extremely difficult to go through. It still affects me too. I no longer think about that day on a daily basis, but every once in a while, it comes back. On the bright side, I have become a much more mature, caring person because of it. I have also started to notice when people act different than normal too, and I always make sure they're doing okay. You never know when someone needs you. thenewgreen: Thanks again for listening when I needed you to.
Thanks again for listening when I needed you to.
My pleasure. I'm sorry to hear about your childhood friend.
The Pig. I was in an interpretive dance group with an evangelical edge. It was Pike's Place Market in Seattle where I abandoned my religion. The story is as follows: after speaking with one member of our group, I started talking with a wheelchaired man who needed to go somewhere, presumably to buy heroin, and I took him too it. We traversed through a crowd of people, and I pushed him though it. On my way back I saw that a hobo held up a sign... Luke Chapter Something which really hit me. I told him that the man up the way, with the busker, all alone, bloodied and hankered, needed some Water. "Water of the Lord" Then I became abducted by this anxiety - I could no longer 'praise' in the same way that I had before. I at first thought that I was sick, that I had acquired some sinful way about me. What I found out later is that it was actually an anxiety attack, and that I had realized that all my prior teachings and learning had been at major fault. To this day I am still trying to reconcile it. I took the man to the place he wanted to go, and on my return was chastised for it. After all, I was 17 and didn't have rights to my own. Since then I have been very careful - whom I trust: those that are candid and willing to explain their root MO. The reason why is because I was eventually ostracized by my community; I was very quickly put aside by these people because, at least I though, thinking more critically then them at the time. Listen, there are times in everyone's lives where they have a change of heart. But, in my view, it is something to be embraced, and not to be forgone. These types of lifetime moments, you'll never forget. And don't you forget it.
Seriously, when I joined Hubski. Who coulda thunk any of us would ever be talking to each other.
Definitely never would have guessed I'd end up meeting a bunch of people, and hopefully will meet more in the future. Or still be here and active on the site for that matter. But definitely am glad that both of those things have happened.
I hear you. I was out to dinner with mk and our wives when he asked if I would join him in this pursuit. Since then, it's been an awesome journey with countless discussions, many friendships made and hopefully many more to come. Back then we could go whole days without a comment from someone other than mk, myself or perhaps cgod.
Yeah.... um, I could do without reliving those again but seriously, that was nothing compared to this.
Ahaha is that SRS? I've only heard rumors. Let's just move on, shall we?
It was a good "test" and it definitely helped inform new functionality etc. I'm glad it happened but don't miss those ass-clowns.
Mine would be having an alphabetically similar last name to a guy I went through boot camp with, although we were in different platoons during it. We ended up serving in the same squad together after basic training and for the majority of our time in service. He had told me that one of his childhood friends would love me -- his friend had joined the military too, but a little bit later than we had and was placed in a different division. I ended up moving to the same city as my squadmate after we got out and eventually met his friend. Nearly everything that's happened in my post-military life so far has been a result of our collaboration and friendship. Unfortunately, we'll have to part ways for a while next year, but we'll eventually be able to bring it back full circle.
You never know who is going to have your name, I'm glad it led to what sounds like a lifelong friend. Those are amazing things to have. I met my best pal while working at the place I mentioned in the post. He was in marketing and had apparently noticed I was a musician via Myspace. -yes, this was a while ago. He said to me, "hey, I noticed you are in a band. Not to brag, but I play guitar and I'm pretty sweet." -Despite how that sounds he was actually being modest, he's one of the best guitar players I know. Good luck with your upcoming move (are you moving? Is that why you are parting ways?).
It led also to my career change from websites to semi-social work, my stay in Peru (I lived with his various relatives while there, had a love story which led to suspicions of murder due to the cultural memory of this guy, spaghetti sauce, and a business trip), and the creation of the nonprofit we're building. It's been a weird ride so far. I should be moving early next year as I transfer from my JC to a university.
Commenting so I remember to add mine later. Can't think of one in specific at the moment, although I know I've had them (and recognized them before) E: Got it. This isn't exactly what you asked because it hasn't totally changed my life yet, but I expect it probably will. A few weeks ago when I was on my grand college tour of the Northeast, we visited Colgate University on day 3. It had been my sister's idea to visit, so originally my mom suggested that I find a quiet place to sit and read while she and my sister did the information session and stuff, but for whatever reason I just decided to go too. I had no interest in the college prior to that day (it was filtered out of my search because College Board listed it as "rural"), but by the time we were like 5 minutes into the info session it was clear to both my sister and me that this was more my speed of school. By the end of the day, I had pretty much decided to apply early decision. So far the choice hasn't really impacted my life beyond the college application process, but if I end up going to Colgate the next 4 years of my life (and probably a significant portion of the rest of it) will be totally different because of that one moment. Something something ButterflyEffect
And if you end up going to Colgate you best well let me know, because that's 30 minutes from where I live when I'm home. If you are seriously considering it, and want to know more about the area get in touch with me. I don't know a ton about Hamilton itself but I know a lot in general about that area of New York. Best of luck with your college search, it's a hell of a ride just figuring out where to go.So far the choice hasn't really impacted my life beyond the college application process, but if I end up going to Colgate the next 4 years of my life (and probably a significant portion of the rest of it) will be totally different because of that one moment. Something something ButterflyEffect
I've shared this before, but I like sharing it, because I'm still learning from it. So about three years ago, I was 19, and I was driving to a party at some dude's apartment I'd never met, along with two of my friends. It was around 11pm, and the party was pretty far out of there, so we were driving on the highway in a relatively rural part of town. I was in the passenger's seat, and I remember we were blaring Midnight Marauders by Tribe Called Quest. My two friends were having a conversation, whilst I was lost in thought. I have very introverted tendencies, so I was paying no attention to what they were talking about. Instead, I was thinking about the meaning of the word "death". At that time in my life I was doing a lot of soul searching, trying to figure out what I really believed in, so I was thinking of the word "death" in the context of it's use in Genesis 2:17. I certainly wasn't a Christian, nevertheless I found myself intensely fascinated by the deeper meaning of this verse. Suddenly, something just clicked in my mind, I can't quite explain it, because it was by no deduction of my own reasoning, but I perfectly understood the meaning of the word "death". In that instant, time no longer meant anything, there didn't seem to be such thing as the past, or the future, only the present and present was eternal. At the same time, the entirety of human history made complete sense to me, almost like I was uncovering memories that stretched back to the beginning of time, all encapsulated in the word "death". Simultaneously, I felt what seemed to be a cool breeze, or cool water sensation rise from the earth and cover my whole body, and I felt the purest peace, happiness, and love I could ever imagine. I was perfectly ready to die in that moment if it meant preserving the eternal sensation of basking in the very essence of beauty and truth. While I remained inside my body, I physically felt my spirit rise far above the earth touching the heavens, like I was GIGANTIC. And that moment in time I was witnessing in my physical body was merely a small glimpse on a WAY bigger time scale, but each moment seemed of utmost preciousness, and importance. It was as if every moment prior to that experience, I'd never actually been alive, but rather experiencing life through a very foggy lens that only gave me the most meager impression of what was actually real. I felt simultaneously like a small piece of something far bigger than myself, and yet an immensely important one. My friends were completely unaware this was happening to me, and I don't think I've ever shared this with them to this day. But I've never been able to look at the world the same way since. I went to a party afterward, where the people became completely transparent to me. I had such an understanding of human nature, that I could feel just how lonely and selfish most people are on the inside, and frankly it made me very sad. I wish I could remember everything that was revealed to me in that brief moment that transcended time and space, but I'm left merely with a vague impression. I find myself returning to this memory in times when I need encouragement, just reminding myself it actually happened. I would've been perfectly content to die then and there. Needless to say, I became a Christian that night, because I understood what it meant for Christ to die (and how few people, even "christians" understand or appreciate what this means). Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, because this was my experience, and I've never felt anything as real since. People are often very quick to try and diminish my claim, or take any notion of a higher power out of the equation of my testimony. But I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that life as we know it here on earth seems but a pitiful shade in comparison to what I felt that night. There's nothing on earth that could ever come close to fulfilling me like I was in that moment. I can truly say I felt complete in my humanity, and I can't look back.
You might have had what is called the Arising and Passing Away, it is a step everyone who meditates (and even those who don't) eventually travel through. More info here: http://integrateddaniel.info/the-arising-and-passing-away/
I don't know If it qualifies as an unexpected moment, but in June I tried to enter in a French business school and I had to take a competitive exam. We were around 1500 students to take the exam which included 2 stages (1. A long essay on a specific topic and a test which is like the GMAT ; 2. Oral exam and an English oral test). At the end, I didn't pass. I was close, one point close. It hurts and it will probably change the course of my life career wise for the better or the worst.
I was in a 5 year long relationship prior to meeting my wife. I used to wonder about what my life might have been like if we didn't break up etc. Then after my wife and I had children that all ended. There are seemingly infinite directions our lives could go in. That can be disconcerting to some, but to me I find it extremely exciting and even encouraging. Good luck with it and thanks for sharing!It hurts and it will probably change the course of my life career wise for the better or the worst.
I'm sorry to hear about your disappointment. The strange thing about life is that you never get to see the alternate paths, you know?
I'm starting to realize that more and more but I'm having a hard time not asking myself those "What if" questions. In some areas of my life (day to day activities), it seems to me that I have no problem of "letting go of things", but when it concerns big life event, like the choice of my university degree, even if I rationalized my choice before starting university, I'm still asking myself three years later what If I had chosen engineering or philosophy or ... ? Life opens up such a variety of opportunity that I kind of feel tricked by choosing one over the other. "There are seemingly infinite directions our lives could go in. That can be disconcerting to some, but to me I find it extremely exciting and even encouraging." That's indeed exciting, but it increases complexity. In one week, I'm going to enter my fourth year of college (in France, university is divided in two parts : the first three years are generally focusing on general topics like economics, management, philosophy, history, etc. and the fourth and last year are more focused) and I will have to decide at the end of the year in what I will be working for a huge part of my life. Marketing, logistics, finance, accounting, consulting, entrepreneurship are such diverse topics that I still don't know which one I'm going to choose. I don't have a "one beats all", I find multiple topics interesting and I think I will be able to have a happy life whether I chose one or the other. Thinking about it, I thought : well, I should chose something that opens up opportunities where I could have a meaningful life, then I thought, what is a meaningful life ? I then remembered this letter by Richard Feynman : http://genius.cat-v.org/richard-feynman/writtings/letters/problems ""The worthwhile problems are the ones you can really solve or help solve, the ones you can really contribute something to." and it's just an infinite loop in my head. I bought How Will You Measure Your Life ? by Clayton M. Christensen 5 days ago, it might offer me some answer. Thanks.
Edit: That Feynman letter is wonderful. I'm reprinting it here for others to see in hopes that it helps them as it did you. I was very happy to hear from you, and that you have such a position in the
Research Laboratories. Unfortunately your letter made me unhappy for you seem
to be truly sad. It seems that the influence of your teacher has been to give
you a false idea of what are worthwhile problems. The worthwhile problems are
the ones you can really solve or help solve, the ones you can really contribute
something to. A problem is grand in science if it lies before us unsolved and
we see some way for us to make some headway into it. I would advise you to take
even simpler, or as you say, humbler, problems until you find some you can
really solve easily, no matter how trivial. You will get the pleasure of
success, and of helping your fellow man, even if it is only to answer a
question in the mind of a colleague less able than you. You must not take away
from yourself these pleasures because you have some erroneous idea of what is
worthwhile. You met me at the peak of my career when I seemed to you to be concerned with
problems close to the gods. But at the same time I had another Ph.D. Student
(Albert Hibbs) was on how it is that the winds build up waves blowing over
water in the sea. I accepted him as a student because he came to me with the
problem he wanted to solve. With you I made a mistake, I gave you the problem
instead of letting you find your own; and left you with a wrong idea of what is
interesting or pleasant or important to work on (namely those problems you see
you may do something about). I am sorry, excuse me. I hope by this letter to
correct it a little. I have worked on innumerable problems that you would call humble, but which I
enjoyed and felt very good about because I sometimes could partially succeed.
For example, experiments on the coefficient of friction on highly polished
surfaces, to try to learn something about how friction worked (failure). Or,
how elastic properties of crystals depends on the forces between the atoms in
them, or how to make electroplated metal stick to plastic objects (like radio
knobs). Or, how neutrons diffuse out of Uranium. Or, the reflection of
electromagnetic waves from films coating glass. The development of shock waves
in explosions. The design of a neutron counter. Why some elements capture
electrons from the L-orbits, but not the K-orbits. General theory of how to
fold paper to make a certain type of child’s toy (called flexagons). The energy
levels in the light nuclei. The theory of turbulence (I have spent several
years on it without success). Plus all the “grander” problems of quantum
theory. No problem is too small or too trivial if we can really do something about it. You say you are a nameless man. You are not to your wife and to your child. You
will not long remain so to your immediate colleagues if you can answer their
simple questions when they come into your office. You are not nameless to me.
Do not remain nameless to yourself – it is too sad a way to be. now your place
in the world and evaluate yourself fairly, not in terms of your naïve ideals of
your own youth, nor in terms of what you erroneously imagine your teacher’s
ideals are. Best of luck and happiness. Sincerely, Richard P. Feynman.Life opens up such a variety of opportunity that I kind of feel tricked by choosing one over the other.
That is what is referred to as opportunity cost and it is something that haunts me too. For example, I often choose to be on Hubski when I could be recording music or recording music when I could be reading or reading when I could be watching a movie or watching a movie when I could be writing or writing when I could be painting or painting when I could be on Hubski. It's a viscous cycle. -Really, they're all pretty awesome endeavors. I guess in a lot of regards it's not what you do, but how you do it.Dear Koichi,
I'm going to continue studying at university (The Sorbonne). In France, there are two ways that opens up after high school if you want to end with a 5 year degree : University, which is almost free (I pay something like 500 euros for one year, including insurance, sports, courses) but it has 2 major flaws : the network is almost non-existent, thus you have a more difficult time finding a job and the career development is slower. The Prépa (2 years) which is like a follow up of High school but it's difficult and requires a lot of dedication/hard work. After the Prepa, you generally enter a school (the better your grades at the competitive exam, the better the school) for 3 years. The school can cost a lot (around 10k euros/year, it can be around 15k/year for the bests), but it's an investment. The network is really huge and you will be able to have a career development faster than in university. You can enter some of these schools by taking an other competitive exam rather than the one done by those who chosed the prépa, where you do 3 years at university and 2 years at the school. I tried this way but it didn't work out this year. I might try again next year even if I "lose" 1 year.
HEC is the best business school in France, but I didn't thought I had a chance. I tried EM Lyon, which is the fourth best.
I was stuck in that post-high school/not going to college rut that i suppose a lot of people go through. No direction, no real goals to speak of, partying too much, working too little and of course, being in my late teens and early twenties, feeling sorry for myself and stuck in my situation. I had a pretty serious problem with drinking and weed, I started using at around 14 and it quickly became an all day everyday life consuming habit. My hangup on it caused me to barely get through high school, have trouble holding down a job and caused a general feeling of apathy and depression that i just felt i couldn't shake. I stumbled through life getting and losing jobs for several years and living with/off my parents with the notion that I wanted more but for some reason the inability to see what i had to do to get there. One day my father and i were talking and he said something to me that I really wasn't expecting. he told me that my life was mine to live and he was done trying to guide me towards what he thought was best. This came as a surprise because he was so often the one giving me a hard time about my decisions and trying to get me out of this mindset. Then he said the words that have stuck with me ever since: " Son, there's an amazing world out there, full of nothing but opportunities in every direction, you're young enough to take advantage of all of them. You can go and see and do things others only dream of doing. You can build a life you want with the people you want and not just end up somewhere or with someone. You have the world at your fingertips, its yours for the taking. But, if you cant give up drinking or smoking to go see and do the things that make life worth living, then i just feel sorry for you." That hit me like a brick, and everything snapped into focus, I took a few days to sort things out internally and realized just how much I had been limiting myself. i stopped doing drugs and drinking, and got myself a job that i love traveling the world. Six years later I'm happily married with a promising career and a ton of great experiences, it took a moment to listen to him but its affected every day of my life since.
I wonder, have you ever thanked your father or acknowledged the impact of his words?You can go and see and do things others only dream of doing. You can build a life you want with the people you want and not just end up somewhere or with someone. You have the world at your fingertips, its yours for the taking. But, if you cant give up drinking or smoking to go see and do the things that make life worth living, then i just feel sorry for you."
That's awesome. One day, my father told me, "Son, it's time to shit and get off the pot." -Not quite as eloquent as your father, but it put a fire under me and I ended up going from a guy languishing between high school and college, living in my parents house, smoking weed 24/7 to a guy that had been accepted at a University and was independently moving to the other side of the country with enough money saved to put down a security deposit and have 2 months rent.