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teamramonycajal  ·  3628 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: On Ending my 2 Year Long Affair

You're an evil fuckhead.

I manage to have the civility to know not to cheat on a significant other or to knowingly be the 'other person'. You clearly don't.



user-inactivated  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Reign it in, teamr.

This is a place for discussion. Whether the actions are morally justifiable or not, name-calling isn't going to help with said discussion.

Edit: Butterfly beat me to the punch, no need to be scolded twice, but I'll leave the comment for posterity.

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ButterflyEffect  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    You're an evil fuckhead.

Ah, yes, this is the best way to open a response. Much better than asking things such as "Why you found it acceptable to have an affair?" or "How would you feel if the roles were reversed?" or "What are you views on monogamy as a whole?".

Not that I'm defending the behavior, but come on.

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user-inactivated  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can't even badge this ironically

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ButterflyEffect  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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kleinbl00  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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kleinbl00  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You know, if I had:

A) stumbled on a community I liked, only to piss it off after a week and discover that every move I made only dug the hole deeper...

B) had an utter inability to apologize and complete and total disbelief that forgiveness was even available...

...I might be tempted to self-immolate.

I might be tempted to create a new account. Maybe I'd populate it with a persona 180 degrees away from what I'd assembled to date. Perhaps make it say something vulnerable. And then, if I was really committed, I'd have my old account say something really nasty to my new account.

It'd be Identity Play 101. It'd be a time-honored tradition:

    The network’s effects on today’s young people are paradoxical. Networking makes it easier to play with identity (for example, by experimenting with an avatar that is interestingly different from you) but harder to leave the past behind, because the Internet is forever. The network facilitates separation (a cell phone allows children greater freedoms) but also inhibits it (a parent is always on tap). Teenagers turn away from the “real-time” demands of the telephone and disappear into role-playing games they describe as “communities” and “worlds.”

By having my old, hated identity slag my new one, I'd create affinity for my new identity. By ignoring my old identity with my new identity and being friendly with my new identity to everyone, I'd wed myself further. And with any luck, I'd be able to continue within the community without the baggage of pissing everyone off for a solid week.

I might run into problems though. For one thing, I'd want to be careful to "age" my new account. It might look suspicious to create my affinity-building post within minutes of creating the account. I might also want to take care with the charade as well. Perhaps build a skirmish or two, give it some time, and then have my old account shit down the neck of my new account. After all, if the "mea culpa" and the "up yours" were created less than five minutes apart people might be suspicious.

The real drag is that initial identities are generally truer to the self than subsequent ones. They fit better. They're less maintenance. And if I'd poured my heart and soul into my initial identity, I might find that I regret my decision to burn it at the stake in a proxy shaming ritual. Especially if, after weeks of introspection, I discovered that forgiveness really was available. Especially if, after weeks of participation, I discovered the site I liked valued identity over persona.

This is all hypothetical, mind you. Call it a thought experiment based on experience and anecdotal evidence. A mental walk in the woods, if you will, to outline the borders of an imaginary landscape. I've never experienced (A) and have never known the crippling social malady of (B).

The problem with this discussion is whoever clandestino is, this debut will forever cloud her experience. Honestly, her discussion was better suited to a throwaway anyway. Hypothetically speaking, it'd probably be better for her to walk away from this particular account no matter what.

Hypothetically speaking.

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user-inactivated  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is some really weird cointelpro shit and it's not okay to say it in the open like you just did.

The damage incurred by accusing a legit clandestino is much greater than any benefit that could be obtained by calling out absurd machinations of that sort. Your comment is the kind of thing that should be PMed to teamramonycajal, if it's said at all, to avoid collateral damage or unintended consequences. Pinging clandestino is just outright cruel.

The only thing gained by saying this in public is masturbatory pleasure and maybe the petty thrill of a badge and a few circledots. Anyone really concerned with this already knows the possibility.

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kleinbl00  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is, chapter and verse, the experience I've had twice elsewhere. As to "damage" I'm not sure what damage that would be. As to consequences, I'm not sure what you're worried about. We are, after all, talking about someone who joined (not stopped lurking, joined) Hubski for the specific purpose of confessing an affair. And while it's possible that someone who is "devastated" would choose to introduce herself to a new community in this way, you have to admit the odds are against it.

As far as public v. private, I'd have me ignored, wouldn't you?

(don't you?)

That said, go ahead and be mad. Be self-righteous. And be offensive about it. I'd expect nothing less.

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user-inactivated  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree with minimum_wage in a "who gives a fuck about all of this, you guys are wasting your hubski time on dumb bullshit" sort of way, but this:

    As far as public v. private, I'd have me ignored, wouldn't you?

    (don't you?)

was kind of funny.

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thenewgreen  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have never muted someone on Hubski, that is until now.

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nowaypablo  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I just did as well, don't even want to hear him/her argue and defend this with whoever is about to start a bickering match.

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humanodon  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Could it be a troll?

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b_b  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No, it's a new user that really doesn't like to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. That happens with the self-absorbed, smarter-than-you types, I think. Anyway they are a good test case in what happens when one really active Reddit prick starts blowing up all the threads. All the major influxes of Redditors we've had have been relatively isolated, because they tended to stay in their own corners. This one got out of the bag, unfortunately. Hopefully, everyone can collectively agree to just ignore, and they will go away or adapt. The person seems educated from other threads I've seen, so perhaps they would be a positive contributor, if they would get over themselves.

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coffeesp00ns  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    if they would get over themselves

this is the key part, I think. my friend recently started dating someone like this. if you get them on some footings, they're quite good to converse with, but most of the time they're just a rotten fucker who's incredibly judgemental (almost to the point of "Holier-than-thou").

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b_b  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's a reason pride is the deadliest of the seven.

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kleinbl00  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

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coffeesp00ns  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

the person who made this comic was able to put a fundamental truth into an easily digestible format: "some people will do anything for attention."

In a way, it links to cheating in a relationship, really. I wonder what proportion of cheating spouses cheat because they feel like not enough attention is being paid to them and their needs as people (whether selfishly or not)?

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nowaypablo  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is this the first rage meme on Hubski? The plague, it is here....

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b_b  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Meh. Give kb the benefit of the doubt. If you were more familiar with his activity on Hubski and Reddit, you'd get that this is simultaneously an informative and ironic meme. He knows what he's posting.

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nowaypablo  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

it was jokes, I have no intention of messing with kb:D

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b_b  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh. Didn't pick up on it. Sorry.

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kleinbl00  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The way to look at rage comics is as a lost opportunity.

They started with nowhere to go but up. The original rage comic was a 4-panel about pooping. Slowly, they started developing a language - there were variations on faces, there were shorthands, there was grammar. It was well on the way towards being an ideogrammatical shorthand. Then the artists started getting into it - if you look at the panel above, it's the equivalent of calligraphy.

Then the generators appeared and the art went away. It became a format for 12 year olds to gripe about being twelve.

The cartoon above is just about the high water mark for rage cartoons. It was a short run. By the time Dante drew this nobody even recognized the trollface anymore because the art had died.

The image above is maybe 5 years old.

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coffeesp00ns  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I like them because they're essentially a (assumably unconscious, though maybe less so, who knows) folk revival of Commedia Dell'arte. Troll face is a dead ringer for the Harlequin, with the main Character being a sort of mash up of Pierrot, Il Capitano, and Scaramouche depending on the context.

I think it's fascinating. Someone who's smarter than I am should write a paper about it.

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kleinbl00  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Somewhere I have a comment about f7u12 comics that attempts to be smart. What you just wrote above dusts the fuck out of it.

You're hired. Hop to, soldier.

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coffeesp00ns  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks KB. Maybe I'll write an article about it over the summer.

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OftenBen  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'd read it.

Hell, I'd cross a pay wall to read it.

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coffeesp00ns  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As kb mentioned, though, aren't these caricatures sort of a dying art? what can I add to the conversation by talking about them now? Or is that all the more reason to talk about them? I'm of two minds on the subject.

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OftenBen  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Archaeologists talk about nothing but the distant past and still get publications.

Go for it.

Personally, rage comics will hold a special place in my heart because it was the first internet language I learned. There are other ones now, for example, reddit has it's own preferred vocabulary/grammar that has nothing to do with english. I feel like meta-language is too snobby a term for it, but it captures the idea well enough I think.

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user-inactivated  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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coffeesp00ns  ·  3627 days ago  ·  link  ·  

... In what circles that you run in is this considered acceptable behaviour? I'm trying to see where you're coming from with this.

Do you have a situation in your history in which cheating ruined a relatioship, a friendship, a marriage? Would your perspective change if the OP was a man and not a woman? Or do you simply feel that their arm is not long enough to give a sufficient checkered shirt and you offered to hold the whip?

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