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necroptosis  ·  1561 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Ukrainian airliner crashes near Tehran: Iranian media  ·  

You know, the last thing I ever wanted to be known for on Hubski was my military service. But for fucks sake, I guess I'm stepping in for the sheer idiocy of these posts. Have you ever actually interacted with someone who has recently served Nil? Have you asked them about their experiences? I can almost guarantee you haven't, because you know fuck all.

First off, looking at work today, the US military is a decently paying job. It's east to look at the $20k salary and scream "WE AREN'T PAYING THEM ANYTHING". However what costs does an E2 in the military have? Healthcare is paid for, lodging is paid for, food is paid for, any classes they take are paid for. That $20k is solely expendable income. How many people you know, Nil, have $20k of expendable income a year? And that's as a 18 year old with zero life experience.

Second, look at who is going to combat nowadays. Who died this year? Green berets were the majority of casualties. What troops were sent to Iraq in response to this Iran nonsense? The 82nd airborne. What do these forces have in common my friend? I'll go ahead and answer because I know you don't know. They all volunteer MULTIPLE TIMES. Anyone going to dangerous situations is actively trying to get there. If you want to talk surge times, sure, but that's a long fucking time ago. Stating that the military is life ruining is sheer ignorance. It speaks to a basic understanding of the lives of 99% of service members.

Quite honestly, your entire posts reads like a vietnam-era diatribe against the man. I would suggest not speaking to something you know nothing about .





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necroptosis  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Alright man. Let's take a step back here.

I am somewhat known at work for having a liberal perspective on many issues. I work hard to ensure that ideas such as those presented in this article are at least heard by my peers.

However, it is an almost impossible task. These perspectives are drowned out by the radical sides. The media has no doubt propagated the extremes and rapidly spread the idea of 'libtards'. Those who blindly follow liberal ideas, screaming them from every platform without an actual idea of reality. I know this isn't a thing, you know this isn't a thing. However posts like these are exactly what exasperate the problem. Because I'm telling you right now Nil, you do not know what you are talking about. Remember that you are counting your anecdotes on one hand, while I am counting in years. But instead of debating, instead of learning from a perspective that you are not aware of, you insult me, you disrespect me, and you make wide presumptions of who I am and what I represent. Even so, despite your insulting rant, I would happily explain how my years of experience have led me to the conclusions that I hold. So ask yourself, how would you like to proceed in this conversation?

As for your last question. Do not ever ask it again to another person in your life. More likely than not, your teacher pulled Skylar aside to explain the pain and intricacies associated with such a question. Give it some thought.

user-inactivated  ·  1561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Bro. I know exactly how you feel and I know exactly where you're coming from. Trust me. I really, really do. I'm begging you though, please, sincerely, mercifully realize that there's real human hearts on the other side of that screen. This is a really important conversation to have, but it's a conversation that can only take place with measured and reasoned words, not anger and vitriol. Otherwise, instead of building bridges of understanding, all we're gonna succeed in is building walls of animosity and resentment.

Please. I feel you. 100%. But trust me, this isn't the way to have this talk.

kleinbl00  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can't speak for necroptosis but I can point out that arguing he's your former high school teacher is an ineffective rhetorical strategy.

It's telling that you haven't discovered this yet. You often reframe arguments in terms of "my prior experience is this, it makes me very angry, answer for the crimes of the people in my past." If I were to describe your interactions on this website, I would say that the happy ones are you looking forward and the angry ones are you holding someone else accountable for your past.

What's interesting is you often speak of your transformation in terms of the liberation it brought you but it takes effectively nothing to make you clutch your chains. Then, bonds-in-hand, you lash out like a caged animal at The Bad Man In Fourteenth Grade while pretending it's somebody here. You have been explicitly invited - numerous times, in an understandable spectrum of politeness - to reframe your arguments in the terms under discussion but, as is often the case, you self-righteously assert that your past is the only frame worth considering.

So tell me Nil,

who killed you?

This angry ghost routine is not helping you process it. You refuse to see the real people around you in favor of the phantasms that haunt you still. You make your way towards happiness only to jump off the road, clutch your petticoat and shout at the evil monsters who touched you in a bad way - talk about PTSD, your life is like High School Groundhog Day.

I understand why these discussions make you antsy - you had the world figured out, then you didn't, and you refuse to figure it out again until the world apologizes for lying to you. You're going to be disappointed in that, though, and I think you know it - if I had to guess, most of your anger is over the odious task of giving up on the apology and moving forward with your life.

Can't help you with that, kid. None of us can. We're all interested in your contributions here in the physical plane, though, despite your regular need to shout at ghosts. Just recognize that the more you do it, the more we switch from "talking to someone with passion" to "talking to someone with a disability" and that probably doesn't feel great to you. Maybe you see this as a way to work through it. Take it from 20 years of anger issues: you gotta keep most of it on the inside or the inside is all you're left with.

You know what helps me sleep at night? Progress.

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necroptosis  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well look at that, I’ve been called a mass murderer. I feel like I’ve just checked a box in ‘The American military experience’

am_Unition  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I didn't interpret his statement like that, but I understand where you're coming from.

I'm very thankful that you decided to speak up and give your perspective. We needed to hear it.

You should post more. You used to post much more, I think, and it was always enjoyable. :)

kleinbl00  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Naaah he's totally calling NC a mass murderer. That's the problem with relying on superheated rhetoric: someone's gonna get burned. At least you don't have to think much, you just open your mouth and the flamethrower comes out. It's a very cathartic way to live, albeit a lonely one.

Devac  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I hope you'll come back, nil. You're definitely going to be missed.

kleinbl00  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ahhh, yes. The "QQ", internet rhetoric's Crane Kick.

Per canon law, I hereby acknowledge the 100% rhetorical, spiritual, metaphysical and factual correctness of your arguments, validate your every emotion and salve your savaged fee fees. A spirited debate, sir, but one in which you have CRUSHED. My hat tips in your general direction.

Know that when the toddler behind your eyes finishes his tantrum, you are welcome back into the fold. You're a clever dude with much to add but we both know the argument you're having isn't with anyone here. And while I understand the appeal of sounding one's barbaric yawp across the roof of the world I will point out that you didn't actually do anything here.

And I suspect your inability to actually do anything is one of the root causes of your self-loathing.

kingmudsy  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

...Fuck, nil. It hurts to see you go like this. I really hope you find a way back to us someday, I really liked having you around. You'll be in my thoughts, I hope you think about us too.

am_Unition  ·  1560 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm super bummed to see you leave, man. We're a worse community without you. To say that I greatly admire your passion and idealism would be understating things.

goobster  ·  1561 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for doing this, and keeping your shit together as you did. I would have been way harsher, and I haven't even served. (Was a Civilian Contractor in a war zone, tho.)

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