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comment by oyster
oyster  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Forum where fallacies are banned

You don't like a mute feature but you think certain ways people express their opinion should be banned ? Even if what someone thinks contains a fallacy it's still somebodies opinion.





Bypel  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Even if what someone thinks contains a fallacy it's still somebodies opinion.

Pretty worthless opinion then IMO.

oyster  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's still an opinion which you think should be silenced. That's pretty hypocritical for somebody who thinks you shouldn't be able to stop someone joining in on your conversation.

Bypel  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You shouldn't be able to stop someone joining in on your conversation just because you feel like it.

If you have a good reason that's fine.

oyster  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Everybody is going to have a reason for not wanting to talk to somebody.

Bypel  ·  2387 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But not necessarily a good one.

_refugee_  ·  2434 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And the point goes to oyster in this discussion.

Bypel  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Then they can opt to have comments by them not displayed on their end.

oyster  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ya instead of outright banning the comment like the forum you like does.

goobster  ·  2427 days ago  ·  link  ·  

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veen  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fallacies make premises invalid, they don't make arguments or opinions invalid. Huge difference there.

Bypel  ·  2387 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No, fallacies make arguments invalid but not premises or conclusions false.

They do however mean that conclusion has not been backed up by the argument and thus needs a different argument.

veen  ·  2387 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We're agreeing, but using different terminology. What you call arguments leading to a conclusion I call premises leading to an opinion or argument.

veen  ·  2387 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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Bypel  ·  2435 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    You don't like a mute feature but you think certain ways people express their opinion should be banned ?

I don't like a mute feature because it allows anyone to stop people commenting on their posts.

It's OK when there are more-trusted people moderating according to agreed upon rules.

What would be even better is making posts hidden by default rather than deleting them or better than that is https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/876288/new .

jadedog  ·  2434 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    It's OK when there are more-trusted people moderating according to agreed upon rules.

There are no such people. I trust myself more than I trust others to moderate my experience. When other people get to moderate your experience, you have to conform to their expectations or risk getting banned.

All people have biases, and there are no rules possible that don't require some level of judgment. That level of judgment is often exploited to censor out discussion. The ability to censor out discussion is then left in the hands of a very few people who become very powerful and almost always use that power to stop people from commenting on their pet issues. Often, they don't even realize they're doing it because it's an unquestioned bias on their part.

Bypel  ·  2387 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That is a good point.

    I trust myself more than I trust others to moderate my experience.

Then why do you use Hubski with it's filter (which I don't disagree with BTW) and mute (which I do) systems?

I still think the benefits of having fallacies outlawed outweigh the risks though.

Treat /logic/ like an experiment (when I am given the board and start moderating it). /logicpol/ is ready though. EDIT: I forgot the password.

Maybe I should simply not delete all posts that contain fallacies but just ban people who simply don't care about logic.

jadedog  ·  2384 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Then why do you use Hubski with it's filter (which I don't disagree with BTW) and mute (which I do) systems?

I'm still a bit new here to determine the upsides and downsides fully. However, I'm not seeing how you think Hubski moderates your experience. You'll have to explain more fully. I read your post on how you didn't like the mute function, but you didn't explain why very fully.

    I still think the benefits of having fallacies outlawed outweigh the risks though.

Then hopefully you'll enjoy the forum you're describing. I've posted too long on forums that started out with that description and found that it doesn't ever work out that way in the long run. At some point, it becomes about mods telling the people they don't like that they're using fallacies and people that they do like that they're not. That's just my experience.

Bypel  ·  2306 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Then hopefully you'll enjoy the forum you're describing. I've posted too long on forums that started out with that description and found that it doesn't ever work out that way in the long run. At some point, it becomes about mods telling the people they don't like that they're using fallacies and people that they do like that they're not. That's just my experience.

Couldst thou* tell me those forums please?

* I like to distinguish singular and plural and it's also probably good practice for learning foreign languages.