So it's 12:30am PT and 3:30am ET. thenewgreen is going to sleep. mk has been pulling all nighters working on a new grant...I hope he's asleep. forwardslash is trying to make the server stop borking. And I have 30 more minutes of rendering the video I'm editing (don't you fucking dare say the word avid).
And you took away my happy place.
So...let's give ya'll some data!
The server is on eastern time. Meaning it's 3:30am.
On June 11, 2015, we have had five times as many visitors as we had on June 9, 2015. And it's only been June 11 for THREE POINT FIVE HOURS!
In the time it took my to type that sentence, we had 70 new visitors and 240 actions (even though the sites probably barely chugging along right now.)
Da-na-na-na-na-na.... TO THE MOON!
(sidebar: why can't bitcoin prices do that again? I have like....a bunch left. Should I sell or keep waiting?)
Let's compare some little things to the last Thursday. Question? Are the tidderers sticking around for longer than a minute?
Last Thursday: 11 min 44s average visit duration
38% visits have bounced (left the website after one page) 5.8 actions (page views, downloads, outlinks and internal site searches) per visit 0.8s average generation time
10 min 30s average visit duration 45% visits have bounced (left the website after one page) 8.2 actions (page views, downloads, outlinks and internal site searches) per visit 3.15s average generation time Also, whoever hasn't closed Hubski for like a week...or is ctrl+f5 like a madman, you are a my new favorite (or least favorite) person:
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@ 3:30am PT / 6:30am ET - The number of people who successfully loaded the last javascript on the page have doubled. No sign of slowing yet.
The last thing this place needs is the angriest and most reactionary that Reddit has to offer finding their way here.
I really, really hope so.
I'm like the hipster Reddit refugee. Came a month ago looking for greener pastures and found I really dig the community here and the way the site works.
If you're not from that crowd, then welcome! Hope you find this place as cozy as I did.
The others can go to Voat.
I'm in the same boat, having joined a year or two back. I'm not human enough for hubski though. I'll probably go to voat and fling shit with the reactionary conspiracy theorists, rather than mess up what hubski has going here.
Not all of us that left reddit were part of FPH, I've been an active redditor for the past 2 years, taking care of my local town sub and contributing in a lot of smaller subs, it was all good until the blatant censorship started a few months back, I got over it by adding reddit to my adblock and blocking everything else with NoScript... and then today came and saw what happen, reddit cherry picking a few subs so they would justify the deletion of FPH, because FPH dared to make their own imagehost and insult imgur staff the previous day, right after that I spent a few hours deleting all my history and deleting my account, I'm done with reddit.
I hope to make hubski my new home once I get used to it.
Agreed. I think you will see a lot of the FPH crowd remain at reddit because they are now out for blood and simply leaving won't satisfy their already established desire to rage (or at least accost). I'm not one of them, but I also think it would have been best not to poke the sleeping badger.
A large portion of the exodus is just people tired of arbitrary censorship. On the internet, the phrase "Vote with your wallet" translates to "Vote with your views", so I am taking my views elsewhere from reddit.
- A large portion of the exodus is just people tired of arbitrary censorship.
The censorship isn't arbitrary though. People don't understand the underlying pattern because they think of Reddit as a free speech free-for-all, when really it is fundamentally based in libertarian principles of property rights.
The idea is that the mods and subscribers of a subreddit have absolute control over their subreddit and the absolute right to the integrity of their subreddit community, in the same way that people in the real world have an absolute right to their property. The admins only oppose censorship as a policy insofar as it interferes with this right (so banning a sub just because they have offensive content would be against the principles of Reddit).
However, if certain communities are interfering with the culture and functioning of other communities (violating the non-aggression principle, so to speak) or posing a threat to the site as a whole, then they can and do get banned.
- The censorship isn't arbitrary though
Hehe
That one was interesting. The people who started the sub abandoned it 2 years ago and the people who ran FPH took it over a year ago. So it's not as arbitrary as it seems.
I understand that the new theory of censorship is what you have described, but a large portion of the reddit community does not see it as actually being applied in that manner (the easiest example being the continued existence of SRS, which exists solely to violate the non-aggression principle).
My point above regarding arbitrary censorship really was that people decide what to view/consume based on how they perceive the product. Any site/entity that claims to do one thing, but is perceived as doing something else (even wrongly) is going to lose viewers/consumers. Rather than trying to clarify things or reevaluate the manner in which it is applying its own rules, reddit seems to be doubling down on the "you guys just don't understand" position. From a purely consumer standpoint, I don't care for the current business practice, so I'm not going to support the site.
That said, I look forward to engaging the Hubski community!
Well as I remember, they justified their lack of interest in persecuting SRS by the fact that SRS simply doesn't brigade that much anymore, and that's completely right. If they were intent on being consistent, they might target AgainstMensRights or something, but I'm not sure.
I totally agree, despite supporting them on the whole, that Reddit admins are being stupid by refusing to properly clarify their rules. I think it's just the fact that they are completely, abysmally incompetent at PR that is the problem.
- However, if certain communities are interfering with the culture and functioning of other communities (violating the non-aggression principle, so to speak) or posing a threat to the site as a whole, then they can and do get banned.
The continued existence of /r/ShitRedditSays and /r/SubredditDrama stands as a debunking of this being the operant principle.
There is a double standard no matter how you slice it.
Voat strikes me as fertile ground for the next big internet mistake, like reddit eight years ago.
Voat strikes me as fertile ground for the next big internet mistake, like reddit eight years ago.
I really couldn't care less about the drama on reddit right now. I came here after seeing a link in the /r/askreddit thread, and after reading about hubski I just think the idea is cool. It's different. But that doesn't mean I won't also use reddit.
Getting mad about the internal politics of an internet forum is ridiculous. People need to learn some perspective.
I came from Reddit and I agree. I dislike the censorship, but I don't care for the toxic hate communities either. There are a few sites being thrown around now, hopefully this one will attract more of the intellectual/discussion oriented people and the other sites will attract the more toxic elements of the site.
- The last thing this place needs is the angriest and most reactionary that Reddit has to offer finding their way here.
But I agree with you that seeing a good site flooded with pseduorevolutionary brats will probably tend to make one depressed.
I just came here cause I thought it looked like a neat website with a chill atmosphere :)
- Also, whoever hasn't closed Hubski for like a week...or is ctrl+f5 like a madman, you are a my new favorite (or least favorite) person
... Ah... That would be me... I have four hubski tabs constantly open: the one that is always running is on my work computer where I do most of my browsing from. That's been up for just over a week since I last shut everything down. One other tab on the same computer is something I want to eventually comment on, but just leave open. Then I have a tab on my personal laptop that I just do shit on that stays open most of the time, but I hibernate it day to day; and then the fourth tab is on my testing laptop because... fuck, I'm a lazy piece of shit and need something to tab over to every few minutes/for when I get frustrated as hell with trying to build a secure public use Centos laptop without Deep Freeze.
We probably got more traffic than that as a ton of pages didn't even load all the javascript before timing out. Here's a bandwidth graph for ya.
I almost missed a really cool post because I filter #reddit...nice data insom, the reddit hug is real. I will say, everyone that's come over so far seems...a lot better than what I was expecting given the circumstances.
Ha. I filtered #reddit last time this happened too.
You know that there is a setting that allows you to filter out posts from users that are less than 2 days old?
Also, Did you know that I had the best week in a good-long-while in vancouver because you are an amazing host?
Thanks pal!
Keep shoveling coal into the boiler guys and gals. It's Hubski's time to shine.
Reddit user here, I deleted both of my accounts over there and have decided to give hubski a go of it instead. Sorry for being a part of breaking your happy place :( Hopefully this can be my happy place too lol
Hmm, for some reason I can't respond to individual posts in this thread, but I can in others. First, I want to say that if something's broke, I didn't do it. But to respond to Outset, people are fickle. Reddit users might be angry for about a week or so, then completely forget that they're angry. That said, this Ask Reddit thread FP'd overnight.
Yeah, we're having some issues with the javascript that shows/hides the reply box because some pages are timing out before they can load it.
My thoughts on the Reddit exodus
You guys seem cool and I'm genuinely interested in this website. Would it be better if I took the time to learn about it in a couple days once all this nonsense blows over?
You might need to be a bit patient with the site until then, but feel free to poke around. A few more drops in the bucket won't hurt.
Hubski is different than Reddit, so YMMV. For better or worse, our goal isn't to be a complete replacement. That said, we think we do some things that Reddit does not.
Welcome aboard.
The servers are dying and being consistently resuscitated by our team as we speak....so I would say the servers. ;)
Influxes typically die off in ~10 hours. I'd say, due to the general US population being asleep, it should be easing up? I guess east coast is waking up (GOOD MORNING MK!) so maybe not.
@ 3:30am PT / 6:30am ET - The number of people who successfully loaded the last javascript on the page have doubled. No sign of slowing yet.
Hey everyone! It's 1:30am on Saturday (4:30am EST). It's been about 48 hours since the influx.
Our visits from the influx on 6/11 were ~30x our normal visits and we have no idea how many people actually showed up as probably like...we don't know. Also, I have no idea what constitutes a unique visit and how many people we don't track for various reasons (browser addons, etc). Really, all this data is fun to look at but pretty much needs to be a taken with a grain of salt. Plus, a buttload of vistiors / requests didn't go through because the page never fully loaded. For the peak times, the number of actions / requests were like 1000000x higher (again, we have no idea because the site was down / half down for a lot of the time)
Our load times were still way too high, but our bounce rate only slightly increased. Our actions and time spent on the site were above average, which is surprising because typically with large influxes from a referrer results in way higher bounce rates and way lowers actions / time spent on time.
We were linked in ~50 reddit threads but the vast, vast majority of users came from the comment in the askreddit post.
Here's some of the most viewed posts from 6/11
And here's the breakdown of new users on 6/5 (one week ago):
vs 6/11:
vs 6/12:
I hope the redditors that are coming here are for similar reason as I am. I wanted to leave the terrible voting system behind. I was never censored by Pao or admins. Instead I was censored by all of the downvotes I was getting for having a differnet opinion.
Ironic that redditors are complaining about reddit inc's censorship whilst downvoting is a form of censorship. Combine subreddits and voting and you get a hivemind. If your comments don't agree with the hivemind, redditors will downvote you into oblivion instead of just ignoring you. Therefore, Reddit is designed to censor thoses with differing opinions.
I also found better discussion and less hate in the comments on hubski.