Personally ain’t nothing going to stop me from listening to Remix to Ignition
On the other hand I’ve tried watching Woody Allen movies and honestly? Massive panning meh
A Tale of Two Movies 1): AMADEUS My mother played strings professionally. Classical music was on all day long. She loved Amadeus. By the time I graduated high school I'd probably seen it (two VHS tapes it's so long) five dozen times. I know that movie, its every nuance. It's told entirely from the perspective of Antonio Salieri, Kapelmeister of Vienna. The calm, boring and generally nurturing music teacher has long since been overshadowed by Peter Schaffer's plotting monster of mediocrity, a creature F Murray Abraham breathes astonishing life into. It's a tale of a man crushed by his own inadequacy who is driven to destroy a thing of beauty. Mozart has a shrill and unappreciative wife, Mozart is a thoughtless child, and we, the audience, walk a mile in Salieri's shoes. Set aside for a moment that the Emperor is played (delightfully) by Jeffrey Jones. The film is otherwise unassailable, a masterpiece of human frailty. Constanze has always been a bit too much of a bitch; Mozart never tries quite hard enough to succeed. You're never sure why. Until the Director's Cut was released in 2002. Salieri is a straight up monster to Mozart's wife because he can be. Mozart busts his ass to succeed but he's been blackballed. And Constanze? There's ample reason why she doesn't like Salieri. The Director's Cut is a better movie. It's more nuanced. It requires more of you as the audience. But I don't think the Director's Cut becomes the '80s cultural juggernaut the original cut was. We want our frames to be simple and Amadeus already requires a lot of complexity from us (it shared movieplexes with Beverly Hills Cop, The Care Bears Movie and Desperately Seeking Susan). Your relationship with Amadeus depends on when you saw it and where you saw it. And while the central premise of the film is that ambition and jealousy turn us into monsters, Orion decided that there was a limit to our monstrousness. I think they made the right choice. 2) BAD INFLUENCE You haven't heard of this movie and you certainly haven't seen it. It was one of David Koepp's first scripts and one of Curtis Hanson's lesser works. It has a very young James Spader and a very young Rob Lowe being bad boys; Rob Lowe is a legit psychopath who basically lures a fine upstanding young lawyer into Doing Bad Things. The movie itself was effectively buried because Rob Lowe was radioactive but I've always loved it because it's got some rippin' threesomes, it's violent and creepy, and it's got Skinny Puppy in the soundtrack. I didn't watch Bad Influence from about the age of 20 to about the age of 35. When I watched it at 35 I'd written six screenplays. When you've written six screenplays you realize that there's a VERY OBVIOUS SCENE that is VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE MOVIE in which James Spader and Rob Lowe have sex. The inclusion of that scene would have made the film a blend of Brokeback Mountain, Single White Female and Diabolique. The inclusion of that scene would have made Rob Lowe a jilted lover and a shunned bisexual rather than a psychopath. The inclusion of that scene would have taken a movie from "has skinny puppy and boobs" to "let's force the audience to confront some dark truths". The inclusion of that scene would have made some really poignant statements. Here's Rob Lowe to put it on the nose: So while I still think Bad Influence is a fun movie, I can't enjoy it the way I once could, not just because I'm having a lot more sex than I did as a teenager. The movie that was released is a wounded, castrated version of the movie that could have been and it suffers from that realization. __________________________________________ Those are just movies. But the way we regard movies has a lot to do with what we know about movies and how we experience those movies. A cheerleader at my school was singing "Jane Says" by Janes Addiction at the top of her lungs; when asked why it was because "it's such a happy little care-free song." The fact that she had no understanding that it was a song about addiction not only made me hate her more, it made me better appreciate the song. Art is not consumed in a vacuum. I got to meet many of my idols mixing bands in college. Many of them ceased to be my idols. We can still appreciate the works of failed idols but we may have a hard time enjoying them. Something this essay deals with that nobody else has addressed is that we aren't avoiding the works of scandalous figures out of duty; we're doing it because we don't enjoy them anymore. At the heart of this discussion is the ephemerality of entertainment. Does it withstand the bodyblow of the destruction of its maker. From Danny Masterson has largely escaped controversy because nobody gives a fuck about Danny Masterson. Louis CK? We're all forced to realign our understanding and appreciation of his art in light of who he is and that is an internal discussion we have to have with ourselves. It's comfortable for no one. Art has always been a mirror held before society. Right now it's showing us stuff we'd rather not see. We're being forced to integrate our view into our understanding and we have no simple answers. We don't like hard choices, we like easy ones, and we want our distractions to be light and airy. That there are monsters in the deep, and that the deep is actually quite shallow, forces us to contemplate things we'd rather not think about.Rob Lowe said in a 2017 interview it was the project in his career he did not feel got the attention it deserved. "It was really ahead of its time," he said. "I’m really proud of it... It’s sexy. It’s weird. It’s dark. The characters are great... It’s also a great snapshot of underground L.A. at the beginning of the ’90s. And yet it doesn’t feel dated."
Certain pieces of art seem to have been rendered unconsumable by their maker’s transgressions—how can one watch The Cosby Show after the rape allegations against Bill Cosby? I mean, obviously it’s technically doable, but are we even watching the show? Or are we taking in the spectacle of our own lost innocence?
People care deeply about Louis C.K.'s misconduct (myself included) because they thought he was better than that. No one seems to care much about the allegations about Steven Seagal; no one liked him enough to be surprised.
It's funny you bring up Amadeus for a couple of reasons. 1.) It's so grossly inaccurate to the realities of Mozart, Constanze, and Salieri's situation that it's laughable. Mozart sent his kids to Salieri for music lessons because of the level of respect he had for him, and the biggest reason Mozart had so much monetary trouble was he was trying to be an independent contractor in a world of patronage, and he was trying to do it about 10 years too early. He was ahead of his time, in that sense. Beethoven did the same thing later and managed success because the political situation had changed, and people like Mozart had broken down some barriers. Also it's interesting to note that we probably wouldn't know much of Mozart's music if it wasn't for the efforts of his wife after his death. 2.) As a classical musician, you end up having to face this question of "how do we deal with the art of monsters?" on the daily, whether because of the way life was at the time (in terms of J.S. Bach's likely opinions of jewish people, being a staunch Lutheran), or because they were active in early Nazism and active antisemitism (Richard Wagner and Richard Strauss). Some people like Wagner were just awful people, even in the context of their own time. But they created beautiful art. So what do we do? For the most part, we play it anyways and do our best to forget the ugly parts of the composers, and we're luck enough to be able to do so because most of the time they weren't writing about their ugly parts. We watch and listen to the Ring Cycle, and enjoy it, and do our best not to think about the fact that Wagner was writing it as a way to push forward and encourage germanic supremacy, and to counter ideas of Classical (Greek and roman mythology) superiority, and to create a "pure" german opera without the antiquated Italian trappings and traditions. I don't know how to, or if it is possible to bring that mindset to the current situation. For one thing, western classical musicians have the luxury of chronological distance, and we don't have that here.
I realized yesterday that Mozart was the Justin Bieber of Hapsburg Austria. He was a child prodigy with a lot of influences around him that had a rough time transitioning from the carnival sideshow his father made of him into a respected member of the existing power structure. His music was poppy in the extreme. He tried to make it without assimilating into the business and it ground him into fertilizer. The monsters of classical music are all dead'n'buried. In addition to the chronological distance, it allows us to consider the problem academic. Wagner was 50 years dead by the time the Reichstag burned; Jeffrey Tambor is reading the exact same press about Jeffrey Tambor as the rest of us. Even the recent dead generally get a pass because the story is written. A living offender? He could offend again. Or he could redeem himself. We don't know so we're that much less comfortable.
I'm really out of badges? I want to badge this because it is a goddamn good essay; it doesn't answer the question, but relates and examines something personal in a very effective way. The question of "What do we do with the art of monstrous men?" is not only a question about them or their art. It's a question about me, it's a question about you. I also love how she used it as an opportunity to consider our own monstrosities and their requirement for creation. We are melancholy-cool with self harm through drug abuse, and wonder on the contribution of that monster. Successful asshole predators are falling like trees atm, and I'm not sure if I find comfort in or abhor the idea that there is some sort of correlation. Is normal humanity less predatory by nature? Probably not. :( Is there a phenotype that is associated with success? Probably. :( Edit: Thanks, kantos!
Agreed. Great essay. Thanks to kantos also. Is there a phenotype associated with success? Maybe. My guess as a middle school teacher, I study and work at modifying human behavior daily, is that these monsters were rewarded along the way for their talent while the world around them turned a blind eye in respect to their talents. Like a toddler that eventually learns to ignore their baser behaviors. Say throwing a tantrum over a dislike for his/her current meal, these predators have not learned that their behaviors are reprehensible. Because of their power, people turned a blind eye long enough and the behavior persisted and grew to the freakish level that got them caught, Matt Lauer’s supposed under-desk door locking button, or to a level that allows them to silently still get along with it. In my experience, I’ve got to believe that the system around these monster men is also to blame for allowing them to become the dirt bags they are.
No problem. :) Edit: Worth it. Haven't read any commentary on Allen since I had a mini-marathon of his works this summer, notably Annie Hall, Manhattan, Crimes and Misdemeanors, and Match Point. Among other things, the author got to the root of what makes them connect to the viewer. A bit tangential, but This alongside neurosis were ever-present in his themes. Frankly, each year he "puts out" a movie seems like he's attempting the same underlying story, polishing the narrative bit-by-bit.The grown women in Manhattan are brittle and all too aware of death; they’re aware of every goddamn thing. A thinking woman is stuck—distanced from the body, from beauty, from life itself.
Hey, so what is it that appeals to you about his movies? And can I ask if you fall in the "20-30" age range or the "30-45"? I feel a disconnect to his films but I also feel they are marked by their era. I'm wondering if that is part of it. (Also, I just don't really buy the 'hey look at me, i'm a lovable harmless smuck, but I can be funny' bit of it. I saw Ghostbusters before any Woody Allen film so Allen has the unique perspective, in my eyes, of simply reminding me of Rick Moranis.)
Small bit of context before how they appeal to me will give a bit more insight. Over summers I tend to spend quality time with senior relative of mine in exchange for taking care of his grandchildren when he's no longer around. This past summer is when I marathoned them with him as a part of my 'education'. Through these movies I found many nuggets of where his "-ism's" came from. In some cases, I realized verbatim his life advice matched the script of a couple scenes in some instances (e.g. Tracy's description of what one can define love? I think. The "Your concerns are my concerns, we make each laugh, and we we have great sex."). Did realizing this color view both the movie, Woody, and my relative differently? Marginally. I mean, I would like to think thats not bad general advice for a relationship, and it's not like I already have role models for flourishing, lasting relationships/marriages (his being one of them). So, aside from being on the younger end of my 20s, learning what I can from a man I love and respect dearly to pass on for his grandchildren to learn... This summer and the better part of last spring I had been "staring into the void" after a friend's suicide, and Woody's weirdly frank humor on the subject of nihilism/neurosis was something that took such shitty thoughts and took them out of me into literally the big screen (at some point). I found Woody's quirks leaning towards nihilism with occasional chimes on/at a we were both born into all the more relatable than movies I'm accustom. With that, I can't say I agree with the function of relationships and, specifically, the nature and development of dynamics between the main characters in his works, period. But... as far as I'm concerned, these are merely means of Woody transmuting his life experience into an essence he's familiar with over the course of several movies - at least the ones I was presented with. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing his progression from something as coarse as Annie Hall to a more refined Match Point in so far as production, at minimum. Edit: a lot of minor formatting and syntax corrections made.
There's an apocryphal, unsourced statistic that 95% of the audience of any given Woody Allen film lives on Manhattan Island. At ten bucks a head and a population of 2 million people, that's a gross of $20m - literally every film except Hannah and her Sisters, Manhattan, Annie Hall and Sleeper. And Antz. Yeah. I forgot about that, too. Nobody watches Woody Allen films. We're all required to be aware of them because New York film critics watch Woody Allen films but the average Andrew Niccol film does fifty times the business of the average Woody Allen film and you don't even know who Andrew Niccol is. If you didn't spend multiple years within sight of the Twin Towers, Woody Allen has nothing to say to you.
A tuff question. I dont know what some of those man did but it is my ignorance. I do understand boykotting their work, detesting them. It is every individuals call really. So if they did a crime, they should do the time first. But are we going to ban a person who did "his" time already? I dont like the idea of unpunished crime. That is more of a concern for me. Lets leave the call to the individuals, i think. And about my personal call, i d like to decide every case each.
There's a wonderful documentary done by Stephen Fry about his love of Wagner in the face of Wagner's rampant antisemitism.
Can anyone tell me why this post is in my feed? I just created my account so I'm not 100% sure how this works, but I'm not following OP, any of these tags, or the domain so I don't know why this is showing up for me.
It's because the post is badged. There's a little setting called "follow badged content" that I believe is on by default. It's in your user settings.