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_refugee_  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 17, 2018

Wow how fun

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_refugee_  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 17, 2018

Tonight I'm having some friends over and we're doing Hot Ones, or rather the Hot Ones challenge. If you haven't heard of this little YouTube show, I really enjoy it.


what is this promote link i am seeing on some comments but not all? see here

My bank just raised its across-the-board minimum wage to $15, if that information corroborates or make a difference in either way. Worth sharing. It's an interesting move

I also feel like Maslow’s hierarchy needs to be mentioned at some point here. Just because you can find enough food to feed yourself doesn’t mean you’re satisfied all your needs.

LOL man writes article about how we maybe don't have to work FT to be happy, refugee takes the opportunity to work FT on an extra full length response - maybe I should've taken the hint here and gone for some brevity - :P


I guess I have two major responses to this article.

First, the Bushmen-work-15-hours-a-week-and-that's-an-ideal-lifestyle part: I confess. I did a little more research. It was funny. The first few articles I found all said about the same thing - in slightly less vague terms - as this one. That's cuz they all had the same author. Here's one.

Then I found some other articles. It turns out this guy studies the Bushmen, has for 25 years (that's cool; he's an expert) and he wrote a book about them - which is what fed these articles, essentially. That was good context to have. I just wasn't confident i was getting a full and precise picture from this first link. Terms like "The Bushmen made a good living" struck me as genetic and vague; what is "a good living"? How are we defining and determining that?

It turns out, Bushmen spend 15 hours a week acquiring food, it's true. Then they spend another 15-20 hours a week on domestic chores and etc. That brings their workweek total a lot closer to the regular 40 we Americans clock in.

I also think it's important to consider: it's great that these Bushmen live in a fecund and stable environment where they can depend on food sources being consistently available year-round, but I doubt that is the norm for hunter-gatherer societies across the world as a whole. There are a lot of places where you have to stock up food while it's available, because in the cold season, or the dry season, or the wet season, or whatever, your food sources become more scarce, the weather becomes harsher (so hunting is harder/more taxing), and essentially, you hit lean times.

It's good for the Bushmen that it works, but I think it's a questionable premise to say, "Because it works for these guys, it would work for everyone!" And of course, Suzman neglects to mention the other 15-20 hours a week the Bushmen spend working on things that aren't just finding and hunting down food.


My second thought is...less concrete and less provable, but none of the articles I reviewed really succeeded in proving its counter, so I'm going to put it out there.

    But our drive to work is not an intrinsic part of who we are

Honestly - and I know I confessed I'm all order-y and productivity-focused and regimented and whatever earlier this week - but honestly, 1) there's literally nothing in any of the 4 articles I saw to support this conclusion; 2) on a personal level, I have to disagree. I can't claim to speak for everyone else but I don't think I'm so special that I'm the only person who feels this way either. I absolutely have a deep, intrinsic drive to create, to produce, to identify work/tasks/projects and set myself in orderly fashion upon completing them.

When I first got a full time job, I was a young procrastinating can-coast-or-fake-it sort of kid. I devoted most of my work time to avoiding work. I crammed in work last minute in intense intervals, delivered stuff on time and generally correctly, and then I'd spend the next 2 weeks doing nothing until my due dates came around again.

It was not a fun time.

I don't think most people who clock 40 hours/week actually work every minute. (I do think some jobs and classes of jobs do fill most of that 40; retail work, restaurant work, customer associate-phone work, for instance.) My work management doesn't think that either; when they did productivity planning they set the expectation that regular capacity was about 80%. Or 32 hours a week. Which is now on par with the whole Bushmen work investment discovered above.

My life got better when I accepted work. Now I'm speaking personally, but my life is significantly better and I am much happier and more successful when I have goals; when I have expectations for myself and have to meet them; when I am challenged; when I have sustainable routines and habits and consistency.

I can come up with lots of stuff to do in my down time - my non-work time.

Do you know how long 40 hours/week is? I can come up with enough entertaining bullshit and personal objectives and self-driven projects to fill my 72 hours of free time every week. But if I suddenly had 40 more hours available on top of that...

...I mean, I'd basically have to find or give myself a job in order to fill that hole.

And I'd do it. Because I don't think work is just about making money, or putting food on the table. I think people benefit from structure; from direction; from tasks and turn-around times and action items and deliverables. I think work is good for people as a whole because it gives people as a whole something to do.

You think America's fucked up now? Give the whole country 25 more hours a week to watch TV and post on Facebook and drool. I bet that obesity problem would become a mega obesity problem real quick, and if TV programming's bad now...well, I don't think all that free time we'll have is going to make it less sensationalist. In fact, I think the reverse.

Some people don't need a job to get that work. And I know I am generally more self-driven and derive more feelgoods from productivity than probably the average person is. I'm not bragging, frankly it'd be a little cool if I could tone down the "BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING OF VALUE RIGHT NOW?" from time to time. It took me a long time to accept that life is a journey to be enjoyed - not a direct path up a high mountain to one defined and measurable pinnacle of success.

But, life being a journey and all that...

I never knew anyone who got very far running on satisfaction and indolence.


I think - a 15 hour work week or no work week sounds great in theory.

I question how many people would agree with that after going a full month without working.

And of those people who would - I would have to question - are they actually happier, more content, and all their needs fulfilled? Or are they just high off of - well - a lack of responsibility? How are they spending their new free time? Sinking 40 hours a week into alcohol, TV, weed, reddit-browsing, facebook posting, video games and napping might influence a person to call themselves "happier than when they spent that time working" -- but I for one -- would seriously doubt that assessment.


articles referenced

same author but more stringent article - NYT

financial times book review by other author


If you pick one, read the NPR article, I think it's the most coolheadedly best

_refugee_  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 10, 2018

2010 Mazda 3s, Which I got used with about 45k miles on it - but fully loaded with the leather seats, sunroof, 6 disc cd changer, et al. It was actually the first car I test drove and someone almost bought it out under me, but their financing fell thru or smtn.

I will also say I’m fortunate to travel frequently for work but only close enough distances that they’re driveable - I could train or I could drive and I accrued too many really frustrating train experiences (and much prefer the freedom/flexibility driving affords) to really continue the Amtrak route. What I’m getting st by this is I get to drive compact/intermediate rental cars 6x-10x a year and I use it as an opportunity to check out different make/models (basic features across the board but how a car handles matters most to me nonetheless). So I’ve gotten to drive the Ford Focus, basic Kia, basic Nissan, sometimes venturing into even CRV or midsize range depending on what the rental company has available...Basically I’ve been able to test drive a variety of vehicles in about the size & price range that I’ll be looking at down the road, and I’ve definitely tried to consciously note cars I like or cars I don’t. So I’ve gotten some freebie exploring that not everyone can take advantage of.

At the end of the day I prefer the Mazda, absolutely. For a compact 4-door the Nissan, Kia, Ford, just don’t compare. They all feel lighter (pushable by wind) which is a big factor for me (I drive over a couple of windy bridges on route). I tried the Yaris and that just sucked. Once I had a CRV and that was pretty good but that’s more vehicle and gas than I’d need or want IRL. Also it made me feel ridiculous. Generally speaking Nissans aren’t bad (first car was a Nissan) but the Mazda wins out overall. Used to drive a Prius but once I got used to the acceleration of standard cars the Prius became frustrating - Ricardo is v responsive. Just a 4-cylinder. The biggest trouble I have (had) with him is tires, and I’m pretty sure that’s mostly my fault - mine and the potholes’.

Hands down recommend any day.

_refugee_  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 10, 2018

Credit score absolutely no, IRS probably not, honestly totally happy to finance nerd out with you in PMs/DMs/text.

If they were all checkings there would be more potential for credit score impact but honestly that would depend more on the account and tied functionality (like if there was a tied line of credit to the account(s).) there is also a separate system banks use to rate depositors (much like a credit score but for - well, deposits instead) however maintaining multiple accounts shouldn’t impact that negatively.

_refugee_  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 10, 2018

You don't have to bond with your car, but it really helps if you love your car. Know what I'm saying? I'll elaborate...

I average 20k miles on my car in a given year, pretty much any given year for the past 6 or 7. (This last year is actually the first year I've probably averaged substantially less than that.) I'm not attached to my car, perse - yes, it has a name (Ricardo) - but if I crashed it, I wouldn't cry about it, or miss it like an old friend. I'd shrug, and I'd get a replacement vehicle ASAP, and that would suck, and the process would suck...but I wouldn't be emotionally upset that I lost that specific car to "car-death."

On the other hand - I've thought about this in passing over the years, cuz you have to - I'd probably replace it with the exact same make and model, if I were able to. I love my car. I love my leather seats, I love the sunroof, I love how it handles (every time someone else drives and goes, "You have really responsive brakes!" I nod proudly and am like, "Yep!" - cuz why wouldn't you have responsive brakes if you had that choice, hmm?), it's never given me a real mechanical problem or failure, it just - works. It works well in every way that I need it to work. It doesn't feel too big or too small. Some of the controls are a little non-intuitive and I don't necessarily know how to work them without getting in there and mashing on the buttons...but those controls are things like passenger climate control and the built-in GPS system, they are not things I use much at all, nor is their design impactful to me as a driver in any way on the regular.

Get a car you love. Love cars because they work. I guess - you don't have to bond with a vehicle and doing so, could be kind of silly sometimes, even.

But you do have to trust it.

_refugee_  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: January 10, 2018

What an adorabe bubpe. Half way through your post I texted my brother (who lives in Portland) offering him your dog. I am glad to finish your post and see you have found a happy forever home for Cooper.

It is hard. Pets are wonderful. But it sounds like you are making the right decision, painful though I am very sure it is/will be.

_refugee_  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Fish Feel Pain. Now What?

That is a very fair point, and the other side of the issue which I hadn't considered. It's just hard to read about these experiments, honestly. Hard to read about them and feel good about humans.

_refugee_  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Fish Feel Pain. Now What?

Sucks that we have to repeatedly and en masse literally inject animals with acid and observe the effects before we/veterinarians/biologists/society as a whole will believe that those animals can feel pain.

I love how this shit is only legal because we don't think fish feel pain - but turns out! They do! Gotcha! Wotcher, 'Arry!

Wonder how all those scientists torturing fish to find out if it hurt felt when the answers started coming back: Yes, yes it does. Do you feel like a shit about yourself?

Because I would feel like a shit about myself if I was injecting acid into defenseless experimental creatures on the reg. Even if it was in the name of holy Science.

Pain, like hunger, strikes me as one of those biological constructs which is probably essential to life - at least, long-term species survival.

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