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It's not like people won't learn about the Civil War in America, and it's not like removing these statues will change that history. What it does is say "We're not celebrating this anymore," and let's be clear, these were always about celebrating, and not memorializing. These statues were almost exclusively put up to revel in past glory, and not to say "this was horrible and should never happen again."

The vast majority of these monuments went up in the period between 1895 and 1914. Some other key events that occur in that period:

The rise in Jim Crow Laws -

    During the Reconstruction period of 1865–1877, federal laws provided civil rights protections in the U.S. South for freedmen, the African Americans who had formerly been slaves, and the minority of blacks who had been free before the war. In the 1870s, Democrats gradually regained power in the Southern legislatures, having used insurgent paramilitary groups, such as the White League and the Red Shirts, to disrupt Republican organizing, run Republican officeholders out of town, and intimidate blacks to suppress their voting. Extensive voter fraud was also used. Gubernatorial elections were close and had been disputed in Louisiana for years, with increasing violence against blacks during campaigns from 1868 onward.

    In 1877, a national Democratic Party compromise to gain Southern support in the presidential election resulted in the government's withdrawing the last of the federal troops from the South. White Democrats had regained political power in every Southern state.[3] These Southern, white, Democratic Redeemer governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating black people from the white population.

Foundation of the United Daughters of the Confederacy -

    The UDC was established in September 10, 1894 at Nashville, Tennessee, by Caroline Goodlett and Anna Raines. According to the author Kristina DuRocher, the stated aims of the organization included "creating a social network, memorializing the war, maintaining a 'truthful record of the noble and chivalric achievements' of their veterans, and teaching the next generation 'a proper respect for and pride in the glorious war history'."[6]

    In 1896, the organization established the Children of the Confederacy to teach the same values to the younger generation, through a mythical depiction of the Civil War and Confederacy designed to rewrite history. According to DuRocher, "Like the KKK's children's groups, the UDC utilized the Children of the Confederacy to impart to the rising generations their own white-supremacist vision of the future."

UDoC had a hand, as bfv noted, in raising a lot of these monuments. They're still around, actually, as a certified 501(c) non-profit.

Plessy V. Fergusson - This US Supreme Court decisions upholds the "Separate but equal" segregation in the states.

The rise in monuments is correlated with a continued loss of rights for black people in the former Confederate States (and also in the rest of the Union, but to a lesser extent). But why the sudden drop in 1914? WW1. Metal was too precious to be used for monuments.

The other big jump in monuments that you see on the graph comes right after Brown v. Board of Education, which finally strikes down the Plessy v. Fergusson decision, and can be counted as one of the beginnings of the Civil Rights movement in earnest.

It's almost as if the white supremacists in government at the time in these places were putting up more monuments to say "You Will Not Replace Us." Sound familiar?

What I'm trying to make clear is that these statues were NEVER about "honouring history", or "memorializing the loss of a generations of southern men," (which indeed the Civil war was one of, if not the bloodiest wars the US has ever gotten itself into). These statues have always been about white people saying "You will not replace us." Or, to bring back an old phrase, "the South Will Rise Again"

And even if we give people the benefit of the doubt and say that these statues could be used as ways to honour history and memorialize, The fact of the matter is that that is not how they are being used by the white supremacists and neo-nazis of our current time.


Okay, can I just say how weird it is that Robert E. Lee is this huge figure in post-war white supremacy? Like, The dude was this close to fighting for the North, and was milquetoast at best about the concept of slavery. He fought because he loved his state of Virginia, and Virginia was on the confederate side - that's just how it was.

Not only that, after the war he was actively involved in reconstruction efforts, and was an advocate of reconciliation. Just reading the section on the Wiki about his life Post-Bellum makes it clear that his values and the values of people like those who marched in Charlottesville are totally at odds.

In this case, if you're a white person, silence IS tantamount to tacit approval.

I'm sorry, and folks can be upset with me all they want, but if you look at the events that happened this weekend and can't even make it to your facebook to post a "Wow, that's fucked up" status, then you've got to question yourself. I'm not saying you need to suddenly become political, but as white people we've got to denounce these people.

What happens any time there's a Muslim terror incident? We look at our local mosques and expect them to come out in opposition. And they do, partially out of self-preservation and partly because they too are disgusted by the actions of a minority. Well, it's our turn to do the same, to the same kinds of people. These people do not represent us, and we need to make it crystal clear, because we expect the same out of everyone else any other time.

the people who I know in Antifa are low income ex-veterans who are sick of seeing their country go to shit.

But what do I know.

I remember this. I was on vacation driving to Newfoundland from Ontario. My sister called my mom and said they didn't have power, and it was all over the news.

I had a friend in St. Catherines, ON, whose block, for some reason, was on a different grid, so he and his family still had power. He just switched to a Pacific Server and kept on playing Xbox.

It's too bad his machine didn't end up killing the fascists. Instead he and his messages have been forgotten.

coffeesp00ns  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: About this Googler's manifesto

I think this game is an interesting response to the original manifesto as well

I don't think it's 100% fair to say that the Steam platform is not, or at least has previously not been healthy for the gaming industry.

While greenlight is not a perfect system, or even a good system, it and Xbox Live Arcade have exposed thousands of games and the people who made them to a huge, receptive audience. Steam is one of the biggest engines that moved the indie game market forward to become what it is now. All I buy, for the most part, are "Indie" games, from little "i" indie like Night in the Woods to the occasional "Triple I" indie like the Binding of Isaac.

Yeah, Valve is not your friend. No shit. they're a corporation and their goal is to suck you dry just like every other corporation and company. But credit where it's due, their attempts at expanding their market and profit margins inadvertently created an environment that helped indie games thrive, and also helped expand games outside of the PC space into Mac and Linux (because SteamOS is a unix based system and they require support for a lot of their games).

Didn't I make the argument once that this shit never goes away? I think it was regarding how meme faces are stock characters just like Commedia dell'Arte.

I guess the next ugly layer on top of that is that now the American presidency is using stock characters from the 14-1500s

Of course. Of Course they are. HAH!

Salvador Dali, man for the ages.

I mean, the people on the Pro-polyamory side are going to colour it one way and other people will colour it another way, but the general impression I've got through reading (especially anecdotes from their children) is that it was incredibly ... normal? Like, aside from there being three parents instead of two, it was just like ... a super normal situation to grow up in.

I hope against likelihood that they'll keep the poly relationship as it was - super functional and stable. The kids had different pet names for the two moms, and after Marston died, Elizabeth and Olive continued to live together with Elizabeth financially supporting the family and Olive taking care of the children. They lived together for 64 years.

This often gets downplayed as Elizabeth "accepting" another woman into their marriage, but truthfully the three were (more than would be expected considering the times) pretty equal in their relationship.

My favourite quote from this article

    For the record, Marston and Olive Byrne’s son, Byrne Marston, who is an 83-year-old retired obstetrician, thinks that when Marston talked about the importance of submission, he meant it only metaphorically. “I never saw anything like that in our house,” he told me. “He didn’t tie the ladies up to the bedpost. He’d never have gotten away with it."
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