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Isherwood  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why American men are getting less marriageable

I feel like this thread has shone a light on how few romantics frequent hubski.




OftenBen  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Carlin said that "inside every cynical person there is a disappointed idealist."

nowaypablo  ·  317 days ago  ·  link  ·  

:(

_refugee_  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is it romantic to be short sighted?

OftenBen  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think that there is a reasonable argument to be made in support of that position.

The second definition that Google gives me for 'Romantic' is

    of, characterized by, or suggestive of an idealized view of reality.

which sort of necessitates short term irrationality of some variety.

FirebrandRoaring  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You should consider that people might have different priorities before calling them out on lacking reason.

OftenBen  ·  318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    calling them out on lacking reason.

Is that what I did?

FirebrandRoaring  ·  318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    which sort of necessitates short term irrationality of some variety.

Sure sounds like it.

OftenBen  ·  318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm sure refugee will let me know if she feels attacked.

FirebrandRoaring  ·  318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You've just called romantics partially irrational. Here's someone telling that doesn't sound right — or fair.

OftenBen  ·  318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Contained within the definition for 'Romantic' is the word 'Idealized'

    regard or represent as perfect or better than in reality.
FirebrandRoaring  ·  318 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Has what I have to say a chance to sway your opinion?

EDIT: Guess not. I had something to say.

See, wrestling with dictionary trying to find a definition to suit you could be a tricky business. If there's anything I've learned from studying foreign languages, it's that you have to try different sources to get a bigger picture. A formidable worldview advice, as well.

The definitions you gave both come from Oxford Dictionary. A respectable source of information on the English vocabulary, no doubt. However, it smells funny that you would insist on it, despite there being other such sources. My guess from you not replying to this message would be that you prefer that definition because it suits your agenda: that romantic people are naive and clueless towards life and marital survival of the fittest.

You're allowed to have opinions, of course, and I will respect your opinion if it's borne of solid information. However — and I hate to jump to conclusions, but your withdrawal from the discussion leaves me no choice — it seems that you'd prefer your view over others' because it's yours, rather than entertain the possibility that others — like, say, romantics themselves — could hold more solid data about what their view is than what you may have concocted on your own sans evidence.

But, back to the dictionary game:

    4 a. marked by the imaginative or emotional appeal of what is heroic, adventurous, remote, mysterious, or idealized

Look at that! Another definition. Thank you, Merriam-Webster: another great source of semantical information about the English language. Why not choose this one when it was readily available? It's even higher up there in the search results in Google, so it couldn't have been your first choice. Did you have to look for something that fits your agenda?

That's even before we start with what I, as a romantic person, would have to say on the matter.

I haven't seen you attach so much weight on the evidence of the dictionary before, so I'm not going to assume it your modus operandi. Instead, I'm going to tell you this: research the shit you talk about before giving some to others. "Must be irrationality" — what nonsense.

"Well, I didn't say it". "Well, I didn't hurt anyone". And what you say still doesn't hold.

Isherwood  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No. I was thinking more about the mindset that creates an objectively good mate as opposed to the more subjective, romantic notion.

kleinbl00  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The most romantic MFer in the world will get clinical AF when they're not in a relationship.

Really? Romance is "I want all these things, but this person makes me want them."

francopoli  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The Romantics are fools and idiots.

user-inactivated  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm. I think it's more of the case that it's easier to be pragmatic when you're analyzing the lives and decisions of others or when looking at our past decisions with sober insight. When we're caught up in the ebb and flow of our own lives though, living in the present? Romantacism often wins out.

Isherwood  ·  319 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's fair. If I wrote out why I chose my spouse I'm sure it would read pragmatically.