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steve  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: June 12, 2016 Orlando Nightclub Shooting, discussion

I'm not sure which one of the candidate's responses I fear more. I can't find the quotes at the moment, but on NPR this morning, each of their respective soundbites were: (in my words)

Trump: Muslims need to turn in the members of their faith and community who they think might be radical. (Pronounced "Fear Mongering McCarthyism")

Clinton: Let's further build up law enforcement to track and watch for "lone wolf" attackers. Oh - and let's work with Silicon Valley to stop online radicalization. (Pronounced "Police State with heightened privacy invasion and censorship")

There really isn't an easy solution, so I don't think we should expect either one of the stooges to give an intelligent answer. Shame on us, perhaps, for asking them the question and expecting and answer.

Who knows... maybe this comment is a little fear mongering...





galen  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Clinton: Let's further build up law enforcement to track and watch for "lone wolf" attackers. Oh - and let's work with Silicon Valley to stop online radicalization. (Pronounced "Police State with heightened privacy invasion and censorship")

Oh, for fuck's sake.

steve  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think I found it... this isn't exactly it - but it has some of the bits from the piece I listened to (and more).

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/13/481853366/in-wake-of-orlando-shooting-clinton-suggests-broader-terror-watch-lists

    She also called for creating more "integrated intelligence use" between local, state, and national law enforcement, "strengthening communication" with other countries, and working with Silicon Valley to "prevent online radicalization."
kleinbl00  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  

IN MY OPINION:

If the FBI has had a sit-down with you twice, and decided that there's nothing they can hold you for, all the 1984 Minority Report Brave New World Zardoz psychic violence thoughtcrime monitoring in the world isn't going to make anyone one iota safer.

Frickin' Russian intelligence sent the FBI a mash note saying "Hey, this guy Tsarniev - we think he's really fuckin' dangerous" and he still filled a pressure cooker full of nails. Are we really going to get more actionable intelligence by monitoring everyone's Facebook feed?

galen  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  
kleinbl00  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Schneier's a policy guy, and in my opinion, he gets it. Bamford is far more of a history/strategy geek and he says much the same thing. years before Snowden he pointed out that the intelligence community's approach to finding a needle in a haystack is to collect as much hay as humanly possible on the assumption that there's a needle in there somewhere. However, the actual needle-finding techniques have experienced zero advancement since the time of the OSS.

There are better ways.

    Ron Haddad is Dearborn’s chief of police, and he says he gets one question a lot when he travels around the country. “Someone will come up to me and put their finger in my face, and they’re already angry,” he says. “They say, ‘Will the people in your community report acts of terror to you?’“

    What they mean is: Will Muslims turn in other Muslims?

    Haddad has a ready answer. “Not only would they, they do,” he says. “They’ve done it.”

steve  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Haddad has a ready answer. “Not only would they, they do,” he says. “They’ve done it.”

That sounds wicked familiar... you must have posted this before.

byonic  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  

FWIW I remember seeing that article on here before.

kleinbl00  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I feel like I did but I couldn't find it.

lil  ·  3083 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Connecting the dots in a coloring book is easy, because they’re all numbered and visible. In real life, the dots can only be recognized after the fact.
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