People have various thoughts about the MB Personality Type classification, but I really feel that I have external judgement and am oblivious to what's happening internally, so reading about myself is eye opening
Any thoughts? (warning, it's kind-of a horoscope, so take it with a grain of salt..)
This link - only for the test, 72 questions or something, simple yes/no - go with what you feel/ your instinct/ be honest/ don't stress over each question too much - then write down your 4 letter type and the percentages (higher percentages over all means you'll be a typical 'that type' like I am - super-low percentages means you'll be balanced in mind-function - but the descriptions of personality may be inaccurate or you may resonate with other types (there are 2 options for each of the 4 characters - 16 types - so 0% will mean you're in between the 2 options, 100% means you're absolutely one in preference to the other.)
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp (don't worry about anything other than the 4 char code and the %s)
The 4 char thing is simple and inaccurate for analysing. The way it really works is that the 1st character is useless, and 1 is missing, and it's actually 4 two-character codes like Se (Sensing Extroverted) - which means drinking in the outside world through sensing (rather than Si Sensing Introverted, which means sensing what's inside you) and you'll have 4 of these in a particular order - primary, auxiliary, tertiary, least-one with alternating Intro/Extroverted-ness
Better code description here (along with how you develop through life and an overview of what it all means http://personalityjunkie.com/more-type-profiles/
Here is a fancy site which shows you which celebrities have your type, a horoscope type description of yourself (everything to do with these personality things can be false, and don't predict anything, you can use it to learn about yourself and change however you want to) - also has info about jobs that are good for you, and tips on strengths/weaknesses and notes on relationships ~
Anything that helps people understand themselves and get perspective is good, but please read this article about how Myers-Briggs became Myers-Briggs before you take the findings too seriously.
In any event, TheVenerableCain your girlfriend is not interested in intellectual debates about emotional issues. She wants to be heard and understood. So do you. Please ask your girlfriend to read about Imago Therapy with you. The steps of the intensive dialogue are here.
No, of course she doesn't. I wasn't very clear, sorry about that.
I definitely don't think it's a new doctrine straight from the finger of God; but it definitely helped me be more self aware, and was really interesting; I know for people who are in tune with their mind it will be a waste of time, and some people will have a balance of the binary systems, so the horoscope stereotypes will be useless..
I'll just excited about the analysis because it had impacted me a lot recently ~
I'm an INTJ, sort of to the extreme (85%+ on everything). My girlfriend calls me a robot, so that sucks, but I'm working on that. Hopefully lil will message me back with some information on that end. Unfortunately, since everyone else isn't an INTJ, discussions tend to devolve into emotional arguments instead of intellectual debates. It's very tough to empathize with others. I don't understand many of the feelings that other people display, but again, working on it!
Ah, cool ~ I'm I 67% N 62% T 38% J 11% on last check
Yeah, I definitely have things to work on - though I don't know if it's only personality type or other things.. I have massive avoidance of conflict, unhealthy boundaries, hiding emotions, emotionally unavailable, @__@,, But my biggest problem is that I wasn't aware of everything until these last few months where I ran into descriptions of myself online and realised.. I'm so oblivious to the inside of my mind @__@,, but now I can focus on craziness and adjust (maybe)~
I avoid conflict as well. Not sure what you mean by unhealthy boundaries. Definitely suppress my emotions, though it's more automatic than a conscious effort. I find long drives at night to be very helpful in sorting out things in my mind. I'm focused on a task that is relatively mundane, which uses enough brainpower to allow me to cut through the "noise" long enough to get things straightened out. I'd suggest finding something similar and see if it helps you. The user lil has a blog with some helpful information regarding social interaction and various other topics. I've found it very informative, though I'm unable to truly understand and implement the concepts for myself. It's good to know how other people work, though.
Yeah everything is unconcious for me too.. like an instinct reflex knee-jerk reaction -
unhealthy boundaries: I may quickly gravitate towards someone romantically/ too close and intense straight away - then second thing - ignoring their boundaries, and sacrificing mine/myself to serve others against their will,
Then I may resent the relationship because I gave up control, not being able to say no to requests - later feel like I want out / not be too close emotionally, avoiding conflict - resenting the service while pretending to be happy and ok, then throwing everything away ...
..a bit crazy/ messed up....
Drives have been good - I'm in a bad habit of listening to music..
Oh no
Yeah, I'm 11% sway in Judgement/Perceiving away from being INTP, so I can relate to all the horoscope-markers and I'm always paranoid that I did something wrong (..like as if we could get wrong how we react to things,,) - and I'm scared that I'll be a non-INTJ, but after years of time, changes in religion/ philosophy/ career/ habbits/ etc. ~ it's always the same ~
One of the most interesting things I read about INTP was that the dev. from child to adult goes through a default "accept what I'm given as True" going into -> "throw this initial truth away, and everything else - I can't know the truth, no one does" (which apparently leads to finding out stuff later on in life or something)
This exactly happened to me (turning point age 23 which is quite old..) - have any similar exp?
I was mostly kidding about answering the questions wrong. Mostly... ;)
I've never really read much into this stuff, just taken the tests and read the quick summaries mostly. I just delved into this one:
http://www.intpexperience.com/FixIt.php
Wow does that match me. Especially the "big 3 emotions": Annoyance, Disappointment, and Hurt. Just about nails it.
- One of the most interesting things I read about INTP was that the dev. from child to adult goes through a default "accept what I'm given as True" going into -> "throw this initial truth away, and everything else - I can't know the truth, no one does" (which apparently leads to finding out stuff later on in life or something)
Could you rephrase that or something? I'm a bit confused about what you are trying to say here, but I want to know what you mean... probably an INTP thing. If you don't explain it I will be Annoyed and Hurt ;P
(I'm kidding if that isn't obvious)
I think my development would be much different from any normal INTP and also any other person due to my diagnosis of Schizoaffective disorder in early adulthood, but I'd like to compare to what you're talking about to see how it matches up. While I went through huge bouts of psychosis and mood swings (mostly frustration, annoyance, and hurt), my INTP-ness never shut off. My "encyclopedias" never stopped growing (if anything, they just took strange turns and I developed new, strange ones as a result), so when I got (mostly) better, I had a more diverse playing field to work with. I even did the whole psychosis battle on my own (excepting doctors), so I have my sea-shanties of taking back my mind.
I don't remember what I was talking about anymore, I'm way too tired to finish whatever I started here. I'll figure this out in the morning.
Sorry about my confusing summary, it makes sense in my mind..
Accepting a presented truth as absolute truth, not a natural skeptic, but then feeling that truth can't be known and throwing it all away
Here's the original
Phase I (Childhood)
This phase is characterized by the emergence and differentiation of INTPs’ dominant function, Introverted Thinking (Ti). Early in life, INTPs often employ their Ti to focus on one or two pursuits. They may, for instance, use it to master video games, program computers, get good grades, or perfect their 5 K time. Since Ti is a Judging function, INTPs tend to take themselves and their lives quite seriously. Even from a relatively young age, they are self-disciplined and goal-oriented, striving for excellence in whatever captures their interests.
While often described as pure skeptics, this is not characteristic of many Phase I INTPs. While INTPs are naturally logical thinkers, they, like ISTPs, are not born skeptics. INTPs start with a given (T), and if clearly not unreasonable, will assume it true unless their Ne or Si suggest otherwise (functions which in this phase are not well developed). INTJs, by contrast, whose first function is Intuition (Ni), do not start with a given, but approach things more openly, through the eyes of perception. They use their Intuition to discern whether or not something seems viable. Consequently, INTJs are often ahead of INTPs, as well as most other types, when it comes to formulating their own personalized worldview.
Phase II (Adolescence-30s)
Once their dominant Ti reaches a certain level of consciousness and differentiation, INTPs’ inferior function, Extraverted Feeling (Fe), enters the picture and begins to play a more influential role. INTPs are not immune from the dominant-inferior wrestlings described in our Introduction, making this phase as challenging for them as it is for other types.
Phase II INTPs also show increasing use and development of their auxiliary function, Extraverted Intuition (this can also begin in Phase I for some INTPs). During this phase, INTPs often develop a stronger interest in intellectual and philosophical endeavors, poised to see and understand “the big picture.” They also become more skeptical toward certain Ti conclusions they made in Phase I. Developing their Ne involves an opening of prior judgments to allow an influx of new information. But since Ne is extraverted and expansive, INTPs must explore a breadth of ideas before they feel confident about who they are and what they believe. Thus, Phase II INTPs may find it much easier to identify what they don’t believe than what they do believe. Many will struggle with nihilism and relativism, worried that they may never find absolute truth. It can therefore take INTPs a great deal of time, even well into their thirties, to discern what they believe about the world and about themselves, let alone figure out what they should be doing. Unfortunately, societal pressures and expectations often push Phase II INTPs (as well as other types) into relationships or careers well before they are ready.
Phase II INTPs may also begin to tap into their tertiary function, Introverted Sensing (Si). They use their Si to recall past experiences and acquired wisdom. This prevents them from having to retread paths they have already explored in the past