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kleinbl00  ·  2595 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: American Giant hoodie: This is the greatest sweatshirt known to man.

So... I'm a snob.

I know I'm hard as hell on my pants. I ride motorcycles in them and twice have gone over. Thing is, the same pair of Eddie Bauer jeans survived two lowsides, on the same side, in the same place. I would pay more for durable jeans, but the more you pay, the thrasheder they are already.

I'm hard as hell on my t-shirts, too. I wear them and then wash them and then wear them again and just don't care in between. Since t-shirts are all I wear, getting new ones is no big.

But permanent shit...

I'm a big fan of Oberon Design. I just bought my wife one of these and you know what? It's the shizzle. It's made in USA, hand-crafted by a dude named Brendan and it'll last a thousand years. I have a kindle cover from Oberon that survived flying off the back of a KLR at 70mph... which the kindle did not. I sent the scuffed cover back to Oberon and they shined it up for me and sent it back.

Another friend of mine handcrafts leather and canvas goods. And his shit is expensive, and his shit is metrosexual, but his shit is tight. You're not going to buy backpacks very often, so the ones you buy should be fuckin' awesome.

Hell, even my watch is hand-made. When it breaks I send it down to Bjorn and he fixes it. I'd wax poetic about my motorcycle jacket (a Hein Gericke Dakar) but they haven't made them since 2005. I'll still be riding in it 30 years from now. How do I know? It's a lot like my Schott, which I've been wearing since 1992, which is a lot like my dad's Schott, which he wore from 1958 until 1991 when somebody stole it.

People say "couture" and mean "expensive hand-made shit that's oh-so-very-fashionable." I'm not into couture, but I sure am into wearing things by people I've met, can talk to on the phone, and stand behind their products.

I have a friend who used to design for Skechers. Their shit was designed to come apart within three months so you'd have to buy more Sketchers. I've got a pair of DCs right now that are a year old and shredding... but that's okay because I only wear them when I'm riding my longboard and the left toe has been scraped off on every hill within a mile of here. My Carolina 118s?

Already resoled once, due for another, replaced the old pair of 118s after three soles and 20 years of service.

If I wore hoodies I'd buy this thing.

jawa  ·  1000 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Try to order some custom hoodies. You can find a lot of websites on internet which are offering custom garments at cheap.

user-inactivated  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

jesus christ, i could buy a couple dozen decent equivalents for the price of any one of those. bougie as fuck. i mean, i could see myself buying the hoodie in OP, but this is on another level.

even most cheap products will last me longer than i enjoy them. maybe if i expected to never see a store again, it would make sense to buy a three or four hundred dollar bag. but i don't plan on trekking into the wilderness to live there and capitalism doesn't look like it will end tomorrow so i don't see how anyone could justify that unless they are just drowning in cash.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  

You couldn't though. Handcrafted counts. Thoughtful design counts. Ease of use counts. Durability counts.

I had to look up "bougie." It appears to be what people with little cultural understanding would call "bourgeois" if only they could spell it. So I ask you, ye who pretends to the proletariat:

which is better - a $50 bag that you hate that you buy eight times, or a $400 bag that you love that you buy once?

I can tell you which one doesn't go to the landfill seven times. I can also tell you which one isn't made in a sweatshop for thirteen cents an hour. I can tell you which one provides jobs for people in your neighborhood who speak your language and which one is crafted by people who like to craft things.

If that's bourgeois, sign me up. And go make me a latte while you're at it, prole.

user-inactivated  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wondered if "bougie" would offend you, and I'm kind of disappointed to see that it does.

Anyway, I'm sure your bag is nice and you enjoy it, but $400 could pay rent, or months of transport. Dropping that much on a mere container, no matter how well-crafted, is absolutely absurd. Being able to even consider things like landfills, sweatshops, or whatever beyond pure functionality at the point of purchase is a luxury. It's not a matter of cost-over-time, because even cheap shit will last long if you know how to fix it.

I still have the "expensive" $30 backpack that my mom was reluctant to buy me when I was in elementary school in the 90s, and it's a little worn out; I've had to replace bits like the zipper pulls and the plastic buckles, but it's still mostly serviceable. It still holds junk inside of it. I've got a couple other bags that I use most of the time, but I didn't spend any money on them because you can literally pick these things up off the ground with an eye for salvage and a bit of luck.

    If that's bourgeois, sign me up. And go make me a latte while you're at it, prole.

Go ahead, enjoy your luxuries. But don't act like it's even in the realm of possibility for the rest of us, because that just makes you look out of touch. And the last bit... it isn't insulting to me, it's insulting to yourself. You're pretty thoughtful most of the time but you have some terrible blind spots.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  

Let me start out by saying,

eat shit, you self-righteous little hipster douchebag.

There, now we're no longer speaking in code.

Let me continue to point out that "bougie" is a word designed to be offensive. There are no positive connotations whatsoever. It is something people who want something call people who have something. There's more than a shade of sour grapes to it as well - someone has something more than me, therefore they must be culturally and intellectually bereft. I, on the other hand, am pure of heart and mind and do not spring for absurd luxuries like $400 bags. Therefore you can be disappointed that I find a patently offensive word offensive, but let's be clear about one thing: someone who calls someone else "faggot" is trying to offend them. Someone who calls someone else "douchebag" is trying to offend them. Someone who calls someone else "hipster" is trying to offend them. If I weren't offended by it I'd be autistic. If you're surprised that I am, maybe the autistic one is you.

I will add that never once did I tell you to buy a $400 bag. Never once did I insist that everyone have one. Never once did I insinuate that there is not a time and place for cheap things - I even pointed out that I buy cheap jeans and t-shirts. Yet you decided to come in and shit all over me for the choices I have made for myself. That's a dick move in any language, in any era, in any social circle. There is no way to place your statements in any but a denigrating, condescending, antagonistic context and fuck you, buddy. We can play all nicey-nicey and be friends or you can step up and I will tear you the fuck apart. You wanna take this negative I will drag it to depths you have not witnessed in your young life. You are outgunned, outclassed, out-educated, out-experienced and wholly out of your depth. The above was me bitch-slapping you for being a dick but if you wanna double down out of some self-righteous sense of self derived from your need to defend The Gap I'm right here to ruin your fucking weekend.

Finally, I don't know what fucking planet you're on but I was paying $500 a month in rural Washington to live with six roommates in 1995. My insurance was $350 a month back when I was your age. I bought a $200 backpack to go hiking with back when I was seventeen and making $6 an hour and I got a screamin' deal... and that was back when Reagan was president. I used that backpack when I went hiking (and, for six years, whenever I flew - it was the only luggage I had). So $400 for a bag? Get a grip, junior. Shit costs money in the world. I've got a $200 backpack for my motorcycle. I've got a $90 tank bag. And yeah - I bought my wife a $400 satchel for her laptop and medical charts and you know what? She uses it every goddamn day.

So when you imply that spending $400 on a bag puts me "out of touch" I hope you realize how completely out to lunch you are. I dated a girl back in the '90s with a wallet that cost more than that.

Now - go play your $400 XBOX360 or your $300 PS3 with your $70 Grand Theft Auto on your $300 flatscreen while surfing the web on your $800 laptop and get the fuck off my lawn. Median rent where I live is over $1400 a month and I'm all out of time to spend on some fuckwit who lives with his mom who thinks I'm out of touch.

user-inactivated  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

First of all, calm down. Yes, I know it's an offensive word to some people, but I wanted to see how you'd react. Now I know.

Second of all,

    So when you imply that spending $400 on a bag puts me "out of touch" I hope you realize how completely out to lunch you are. I dated a girl back in the '90s with a wallet that cost more than that.

How did you write that without getting whiplash?

Anyway, you seem pretty intent on mud wrestling, so I'm out. I fear we have nothing to say to each other. You can keep speculating about my life and what I might spend money on if you want to.

flagamuffin  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hilarious that this conversation basically played out twice in one thread.

humanodon  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I'm not into couture, but I sure am into wearing things by people I've met, can talk to on the phone, and stand behind their products.

That's a cool way to be able to consume. I'm curious though, how/why did you begin buying like that?

Edit: by the way, those backpacks look awesome.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It probably started with the watch. I saw an ad for it in the back of American Cinematographer, picked one up off eBay for next to nothing, and discovered that the "manufacturer" was annoyed that I bought used. Then I needed it fixed so I drove down to San Diego (my sister lives there) and discovered that the "manufacturer" was this cool Norwegian guy working out of his garage. Then I did some copy editing for him and do product placement wherever I can for him. His watches are truly dope.

I had a conversation with Cee-Lo Green about watches once. He was way into mine, despite the fact that it cost $450 and despite the fact that he was wearing a fuckin' Arctica. That's the sort of thing you get when you buy quality hand-made.

thenewgreen  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not a cinematographer, I have no need for a watch that lets me know what the lighting is like. But, I am interested in getting a new watch. While I love the look of some of the watches like the Date Just II 41mm steel, I'll be damned if I'm going to spend $9000 on a watch. I would love to support an independent watch maker. Anyone have any suggestions?

b_b  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's always Shinola if you want to buy from your home state.

thenewgreen  ·  2593 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I like them b_b thanks. Link sent to wife for potential christmas gift. Nothing subtle on my end.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Those are cool watches.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not a cinematographer either. However, I LOVE knowing sunrise and sunset, moonrise and moonset.

The fact that the Yes is a 24-hour dial really changes your perception of things. Read more here and here.

Join me and Adam Savage.

Barring that, go Pebble. They're amusing.

Complexity  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Love the Yes. I like being able to switch off the digital display and go only by the 24 hour hand.

I managed to kill mine by freediving a shade too deep and bleeding saltwater into the digital mechanism. Bjorn told me to send it over and he'd take a look at it, despite my being on a different continent. Great customer service. Fingers crossed.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You are officially the first person I've met who owns one that I haven't bought for them. Cheers.

humanodon  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's pretty cool. The watch world is something I'm out of my depth in. I'd like to cultivate relationships with people that produce things I like, someday.