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War  ·  2595 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: March 29, 2017

Today I start cooking legit meals. Figure I'm gonna start out small with like a vegetable Lo Mein (really like Chinese food, but no good Chinese places around me) then go from there. My goal is to learn to cook a really great steak, and just general knowledge of cooking. I'm really prepping myself for the day I move away, so that I can do stuff for myself without relying on bad food, or stuff like that.





kleinbl00  ·  2595 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Good ingredients prepared simply" is the most basic truism in cooking. Be extremely wary of what you learn on cooking shows; there is as much fetishism for people who will never cook as there is instruction for those attempting to learn. Anyone who tells you that crushing garlic is bad but chopping garlic is good is attempting to intimidate you, not educate you.

Vegetables benefit from being undercooked and suffer horribly from being overcooked. When in doubt, aim low.

USDA "minimum done" and "recommended done" are not the same things. There is a great deal of controversy here but Thermoworks has yet to steer me wrong. On a related note, I'll bet you feel you can't afford one of these. That's okay. You don't need one immediately. But mark my words - as soon as you get one, you'll wish you had one a lot sooner. Put it on your wish list or whatever because anything that allows you to execute flawless poached eggs, steaks and fudge in one tool is a worthy investment.

American Chinese cuisine is fundamentally four(?) mother sauces and a couple preparation techniques. Not surprisingly, French cooking is similar. Master the sauces, master the cuisine... and then you can mix it up and improvise with a great deal of success.

A "really great steak" is like a "really great omelet" - it's really great ingredients left alone as much as possible.

Tools matter. Reddit likes to argue about which you need more, a good set of pans or a good set of knives. Then they get into pissing matches about what "good" means, someone throws the Cutco bomb and it descends into invective. This is dumb because the whole point of having decent tools is that they make the process fun instead of a chore and generally you need to cut things that go in a pot and unless you're a rawist...

Wusthof or Henkels, choice is yours, that set of four knives, a steel and a pair of scissors for $130 on eBay will do just fine. I've found that Wusthof tends to keep an edge better than Henkels but that could be confirmation bias on my part 'cuz I like their logo better. Not sure who's making Cuisinart's blades these days but they're okay. Despite what Rachael Ray is telling you, you don't need a Santoku. You probably do need a carving knife, a chef's knife, a bread knife and a paring knife (and a decent pair of shears). You also need a steel because the more often you hone the edge the longer you can go between sharpenings. And you should probably start out by getting your knives sharpened for you. This costs anywhere between $2 per blade in Seattle to twenty fucking dollars in LA.

I was all set to drop $400 on some All-Clad back when I was in my early '20s but instead bought the (then $150) Kirkland Signature set. Aside from a couple Le Creusets I have purchased no cookware since 1998... and I have a $100 thermometer.

Non-stick is a waste of time. Do not bother. The teflon will come off over time, your choices of cooking implements is severely limited and you don't need it. In order to keep food from sticking you need only raise it to room temperature (by running it under warm water, for example) prior to putting it in the skillet. Once butter stops sizzling, it's ready to cook. And by limiting yourself to steel, enamel and cast iron, you can use spectacular tools such as this which will render nonstick to ribbons in two sets of pancakes. Best of all, should you have a kitchen disaster (such as reducing olive oil to varnish by getting distracted while heating a pan), stainless iron and enamelware all respond favorably to a blast with Bon Ami.

The best "starting out" cookbook is not The Joy, it's not James Beard, it's not America's Test Kitchen, it's Eduard de Pomaine's French Cooking in Ten Minutes from 1930 for the simple reason that it argues ingredients plus cooking equals food, a fundamental maxim entirely lost by todays overfetishized food worship culture.

Cooking is learned by cooking. It is learned by experimentation. It is learned by confidence. It is not learned by letting others tell you what you can't do, by assuming that if it's tarted up with excessive prep it will somehow be better. And finally, know that presentation matters. I've personally been skeptical of this but I spend half the year eating out of a buffet. last year, one of the cooks prepared me a plate of the exact same food I eat out of that buffet and lemme tell ya - well arranged food actually does taste better than that very same food heaped on a plate. Don't get precious with it but have a little pride.

I leave you with this: ZOMG Thomas Keller cooking a ZOMG roast chicken.

See how obsessive that fucker is? Now hie thee to Amazon and watch Season 1, Episode 3 of Julia Child's French Chef from 1963. Notice how it is the diametrical opposite. I've cooked both. Know what?

They taste like chicken.

cgod  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have 2 La Creuset dutch oven pans. They are awesome.

I have a few All Clad Blacks but only use them when I'm getting all serious. Otherwise I use some decent mid grade cookware. Nonstick work good for about a year if treated with great care. You can't get them as hot as other pans or you'll damage the coating over time, not great for saute. I still have a nonstick fry pan, I guess it's a bad habit that I should get over.

I have a variety of knives but only use a mid grade chef knife for everything. I dice garlic and core tomatoes with a chef knife. I would drive chefs mad on the job refusing to use pairing knives but my fine knife skills are good and I'm fast when I need to be so in the end they just let me use my chef knife and left me alone. You only "need" a chef's knife an a bread knife but there are about a million posts on the internet telling you otherwise.

I like Bittman's how to cook everything as a starting place for what I'm going to make but I have a ton of cook books and a decade+ of Cooks Magazines that I go to for ideas. Cook books are there mostly for ideas.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The best pan I own is actually the lid to a Le Creuset sauce pan. However, they are luxuries, not necessities.

My knife skills are por shit. I would be a catastrophe in a professional kitchen.

cgod  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My knife skills should be a lot better than they are but I never had any desire to excel as a mindless kitchen drone. If I had a great knife I'd do much better. I'd guess that I've spent the better part of a waking year if my life with a chef knife or meat cleaver in my hand. You can't help but get better when you have one in you hand for 30 hours of a 40-50 hour work week.

At one time I worked at a restaurant that had all you could ear fajitas. No one worked that station more than two days a week because their hands would get so fucked up from holding a cleaver for hours on end. My right arm looked like Popeye's my left looked like a normal guys arm who never worked out. People would laugh at it when I'd show them. At the end of a shift I could neither open or close my right hand until the next morning.

I remember the despair of the entire Harvard football team coming in for fajitas mid shift.

You would be a perfectly useful kitchen drone in a week. In a month your knife skills would be way better. The competition not to suck makes people who care get better super fast.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If you can find a Shun 10" Ken Onion, buy it. Apparently they aren't made anymore.

It is a legitimately great knife.

War  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

UPDATE: It went well for the first time. My family all enjoyed it, and I learned a hell of a lot from it. There is already so much I want to experiment with. I have a picture of it, but I've gotta move it from my phone. I'm super excited to make it even better next time. I also found out that the clean up afterwards is hella therapeutic for me. I actually enjoy hand washing, wiping, and just cleaning up. Cooking was a bit hectic, and the clean up was super chill. It was a nice balance.

Dala  ·  2593 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That looks tasty!

goobster  ·  2595 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Look deeper into the recipes and think about the process.

Why do they have you put the butter in the pan, wait for it to sizzle, and then put in the chopped onions, long before the mushrooms?

Because the onions need longer and more intense heat to break down to that lovely translucent phase. And juice comes out of them that mixes with the butter, so when you put the mushrooms in for the last 5 minutes, they get coated with the yummy onion/butter goodness.

All cooking is chemistry. From how you cook a specific material, to the flavor profile of the final dish, everything is just chemical processes.

For me, this makes cooking really simple. Carrots, onions, potatoes, and other root veggies go into the broth first, because they are hard and will take longer to cook. "Soft" things, like mushrooms and bell peppers and chicken go in later, because they don't need to cook as long.

Watch the Netflix TV series "Cooked", and then read his book "The Omnivore's Dilemma". Cooking is best when done simply with great ingredients, and he does a brilliant job pounding that fact home in a really enjoyable way.

kleinbl00  ·  2594 days ago  ·  link  ·  

To add: protein and cook time is protein specific. Chicken cooked all day will be dry. Beef cooked all day will either become tough or fall-apart delicious depending on other conditions. Shrimp should be cooked until just barely done and no more. Squid must be cooked under two minutes or over an hour; in between it becomes rubber bands. Scallops are best seared quick and hot; pork is best slow and low. Skate?

...skate I have fucked up four times. That there is restaurant food.

user-inactivated  ·  2595 days ago  ·  link  ·  

get a wok, buy good produce, add oil and soy or peanut or whatever you like, swish it around for a while until it makes that amazing sound

keep it liquidated

fun fact: you don't even need the wok

War  ·  2595 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's what I've been told. Probably gonna hold off on the wok, but if I get good I'll definitely pick it up especially because from what I see there are quite a few Chinese dishes that are pretty quick fixes.

user-inactivated  ·  2595 days ago  ·  link  ·  

did you like how i did that bait and switch where you thought you'd need the wok but you don't?

if you were following my instructions in order you'd be screwed

demure  ·  2593 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Flag it is genius (read: crazy) comments like these that keep me following you.

user-inactivated  ·  2595 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Good on you, man. Cooking is important.

Solid advice: when you know you might overdo the amount of ingredients for a roll, buy two bread rolls, and wrap the full one with the other one. Don't cheapen out on the bread roll. Gonna save you a lot of spilled sauce when you eat. Put less than you think you might need into it, sauce included.

Would give you some more, but the thing escapes me.