a thoughtful web.
Good ideas and conversation. No ads, no tracking.   Login or Take a Tour!
comment by cgod
cgod  ·  4511 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What should I do with my life?  ·  
I feel like I have recently hit a wall in the "What should I do with my life?" question. I could go on and get my Masters in Economics, but I really don't want to. I haven't gone to a good school and even if I could go to a good school I have other obligations that would make it very hard to pull up stakes and do so. That pretty much leaves me doing linear regression for Frito Lay to figure out the optimum number of facings of jalapeno chips to put in vending machines to maximize profit and customer utility. I really don't want to do the work that will get me the Frito Lay job.

I have worked as a bartender for a while, I'm good at it. I'm not good at keeping up on the latest drink's, I could really give a fuck about stupid shots. But I am good at glad-handing, management and running a business efficiently. So I have decided to buy a bar. I have a partner (who has a complementary set of skills) and we have enough funding to buy a low budget bar that is on the ropes and nurse it back to health. While I'm good at "bars" I don't really like them all that much, and to tell you the truth not liking bars a lot is a great quality in a bar owner. I don't want to have a personal party zone, I know that it's more work then fun, I am not a drunk or a coke head (these are pretty much the core values of the average person who wants to open a bar, and it's not a winning formula).

While owning a bar isn't something especially laudable, I don't think I really mind. After about five years of hard work I hope to own two bars with my partner and have a pretty decent income and some management in place so that my work consists of problem solving for my staff, not running myself ragged with late nights. This will hopefully allow me to do the stuff that really matters, spend time with and provide for my family.

I could write and essay about qualities that I would like to see in a bar, but I won't. I'll just say that my model is of a neighborhood place, good visibility from the outside, so people see that it's an open and friendly space. No TV's or screens of any type visible from the street or the main seating area, TV's kill socialization. A staff that honors all patrons regardless of class or race. Hopefully I can remember what it's like be in a workers shoes and not become bourgeois filth, unable or willing to relate or respond to the concerns and valuable observations of my staff (this would be the big downside of my current job, it's not that the people who own it are bastards, they just don't relate to the actual work going on and are missing out on a number of efficiencies and comforts that could make their bar a happier more profitable place).

I know so many people with larger life goals then "to own a bar," and owning a bar isn't really the goal, it's just a means. I'll never help push forward the goals of human understanding, be a captain of industry or help shape public policy and I feel like I should feel guilty for this. I will be able to send my kid to a good school, let my wife do work that she finds more meaningful then what she is doing now, provide decent jobs in an environment that appreciates the value of hard work and dedication to customer service, provide a comfortable environment for people to socialize in and also to give back a fixed percentage of the profits to pro-social community causes.

I wrestle with the fear of putting my financial ass on the line (this is my families ass as well) and not doing work of significant perceived social value but it's where I am right now, I hope it works out. I think I'll have a space by the end of the year, I'll keep you all updated, and buy you a drink someday if you ever make it here.





thenewgreen  ·  4510 days ago  ·  link  ·  
    While owning a bar isn't something especially laudable, I don't think I really mind
-Creating something, whether it be a painting, a song, a mathematical theorem, a new drug treatment, or a business can all be laudable things. It sounds to me like you are approaching this venture in the right way. Aligning yourself with a partner whose skill sets compliment your own, having a vision of integrity, putting the customers experience at the forefront but never at the expense of your employees well being... these are things that the coked out spoiled brats that often open bars/clubs don't think about.

You're going to be a part of something special. People are going to meet at your place for the first time. They're going to fall in love and spend a lifetime together. People are going to gather there and talk about the big ideas they have. People are going to breakup with their girlfriends, write bad poetry, write good poetry. People are going to celebrate birthdays, reunite with old college friends. They're going to get shit-faced after losing their job, they're going to drown their sorrows after burying loved ones. They are going to pony up to your bar to seek comfort after life hands them a rejection and they're going to come back in to celebrate when it doesn't. All of this at your place. -There is a lot of social value in opening a bar, if it's done right.... and it sounds like you will do it right.

I for one applaud you and think what you are doing takes a lot of courage. My hats off to you cgod, I look forward to visiting your establishment one day.

Congrats.

b_b  ·  4510 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I take huge exception with you saying that owning a bar isn't laudable. It is. Or, rather, it definitely can be. For someone like me, a beer enthusiast who hates annoying music and other things that come along with shitty bars, finding the perfect neighborhood bar is like finding the Lost Arc. A good bar is a temple, and this is the reason that otherwise mathematically sound individuals like me have no problem laying down $5 for a beer that would cost a fraction at a liquor store.

If you plan on, say, opening a new dance club style bar (which, based on your taste in music and general thinking skills that appear evident from your posts, I would suppose is highly unlikely), then yes, feel free to be ashamed of your aspiration. But a great bar that attracts groups of friends, or just the lonely guy who wants to sit in the corner and surf the net, is the closest thing to heaven on Earth I've yet discovered. Sure, there are always the regular drunks that are helpless and sad, but at the core of a good bar experience (for, I believe, the vast majority of patrons) is happiness and friendship.

Not to get too Cheers, but I have a bar a block south and one two blocks north of my house, each of which I frequent, and each feels like stepping out while going home. Its a thing of beauty. Good luck to you. Don't be too cynical because you've worked in bars too long; the bar is a special place to lots of people, and you will bring happiness to many of them.

briandmyers  ·  4510 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Good on ya, mate.
mk  ·  4496 days ago  ·  link  ·  
    I wrestle with the fear of putting my financial ass on the line (this is my families ass as well) and not doing work of significant perceived social value but it's where I am right now, I hope it works out. I think I'll have a space by the end of the year, I'll keep you all updated, and buy you a drink someday if you ever make it here.

I'm confident that whether or not this first endeavor is profitable, you will be in a better place for doing it. But, if anyone can make this bar work, you can.

steve  ·  4510 days ago  ·  link  ·  
my friends did it. They partnered up to do it, so their dividends are a little smaller than what you're talking about. There were rough patches along the way, but at this point the bar isn't something they "worry" about. It keeps churning out cash every month. I think it is a great thing man. I look forward to a visit... even if not for a drink.