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This round's topic is: Spaghetti Westerns
Spaghetti Westerns are basically Westerns made in Italy and are associated mostly with Sergio Leone's films. To broaden the category, satires, modern "spaghetti-style" Westerns, or homages can also be included.
So suggest a film below!
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I'm going to suggest Once Upon a Time in the West. I've watched it once, but I don't think I gave it enough of my attention and I'd like to get back to it to give it another chance. Many people consider it Leone's best film, even over The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
This totally gets my vote. It's been "on the list" for ages. A professor used a clip from this film (the clip available at imdb) to teach about aspect ratio and presentation. If you watch that sequence in the proper super-super wide aspect, you get it. If you watch it on pan and scan... you don't even realize there are four people in the shot... and it's even funnier because of the lines exchanged about the number of horses. Anyway - yes please for Once Upon a Time in the West. This gives me the kick in the butt I've needed for years. I've not historically been a fan of westerns. I hadn't seen many as a kid that I liked. I've seen a few of the more modern ones... and now I'm old and grumpy... and they appeal to me more.
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I haven't seen either of those movies or really any spaghetti western. Unless Once Upon a Time in Mexico counts.
I think it basically counts as it's very much an homage to those films. I really liked The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. It deserves its reputation though it has been a few years since I've seen it. I also enjoy A Fistful of Dollars, which is basically a retelling of Kurosawa's Yojimbo. Django Unchained actually counts as a Spaghetti Western in my eyes. Very influenced by them as well.
@PlaceboEffect - there's a reason why "The Good, The Bad And The Ugly" gets mentioned a lot. It is, quite simply, possibly the best western ever made, undoubtedly in the top 10, and a splendid movie in any genre. Obviously if you're completely unfamiliar with spaghetti westerns, Sergio Leone is a great place to start because his westerns are superb (apart from "A Fistful Of Dynamite", which is a bit dodgy by his standards, though still pretty good by anybody else's). Leone is possibly the best director ever when it comes to composing his shots like paintings, and nobody else could have gotten away with the finale of "The Good, The Bad And The Ugly", where three men stand perfectly still for five minutes, and somehow it's exciting. Incidentally, hardly anybody catches on that Clint Eastwood's character, mysteriously referred to as "Blondie" (I assume they thought up the names before they cast the actors, otherwise how could Mario Brega be playing somebody called Wallace?), isn't the same guy we see in the other two films, both if which take place over 10 years later. Because if he is, how did he completely lose the ability to use a rifle superhumanly well between films? @Cedar - I'm afraid "Blazing Saddles" doesn't count. A spaghetti western is defined as a western made by an Italian production company, almost always in the sixties or early seventies, and almost always shot in the Almeria region of Spain, which looks a lot like the American southwest, is much nearer to Italy, and is far cheaper to make movies in. Also, since Mexicans are of partly hispanic ancestry, Spanish extras make very convincing Mexicans. Watch any western shot in Israel to see why this matters. There are Jewish westerns, honest! Though for some reason, not very many. However, "Blazing Saddles" does owe a huge debt to spaghetti westerns, many of which were comedies that combined the usual western tropes with juvenile slapstick and sometimes scatological humor. At that time, for some unknown reason, the Italian movie industry could pull off absolutely anything so long as it was absurdly over the top. I recall a spaghetti western I saw ages ago, the name of which escapes me, in which the hero spends the first part of the film pretending to be effeminately gay for no reason at all, and the rest of it defeating most of his foes by hitting them in the face with a frying-pan, even though he has a gun and is very good with it. There's also a running gag where a minor character repeatedly lands face-first in shit, some of it human, and one of the few fatalities occurs as a result of a stick of dynamite stuck up somebody's arse. Comedy spaghetti westerns are best exemplified by "They Call Me Trinity" and its sequel "They Still Call Me Trinity", starring Terence Hill and Bud Spencer (not their real names - unconvincingly pretending to be American was a common trait among Italian western actors), two men who crop up a great deal in this genre. Terence Hill even managed to co-star with Henry Fonda in "My Name Is Nobody", which may or may not have been partly directed by an uncredited Sergio Leone. I haven't seen "Django Unchained" because a while ago I became allergic to Tarantino films. Once the man himself crossed the line that made him preternaturally annoying (if Buddhism is telling the truth, QT was one of those nasty little dogs that constantly emit high-pitched yaps in his previous incarnation; and having learnt nothing, he'll be one next time too; or possibly plankton), it became hard to listen to any line written by him without imagining him saying it in his nasty little yappy-dog look-at-me voice. Though if the reviews of "The Hateful Eight" are anything to go by, he's well on his way to an implosive onanistic ego blowout, and will shortly become a nasty mess of interest only to the underpaid workers who have the terrible job of scraping Quentin Tarantino's massive autoerotic ejaculations off the sidewalks of Beverly Hills (who are almost certainly contractually obliged to be called Derek and Clive). Anyway, now that an outdated and rather obscure pop culture icon called Django is an unexpected hit again, it might be worth looking at that old movie called "Django", in which the hero isn't black, but he does have a machine-gun with which he mows down the KKK. Plus, by an amazing coincidence, severed ear torture (which somehow manages to be funny). And, for no reason at all, women wrestling in mud. Watching old movies isn't terribly fashionable nowadays, but the thing is, unlike sci-fi or horror where the clumsy not-so-special effects look laughable today, westerns are about people in a landscape which actually exists, so the best of them have production values identical with what you'd see in a similar movie made today. They're only "old-fashioned" because in those days, certain subject-matter was taboo. But in Italy, nothing other than explicit sex was off-limits, so spaghetti westerns have a refreshingly uninhibited quality which revived the moribund western genre in the same way that "Watchmen" and "The Dark Knight Returns" turned superhero comics into a thing people cared about again just when they were about to die. A lot of these films are absolute dross, but there are plenty of nuggets too, many of them unexpected. Jack Palance surviving crucifixion by Apaches because his pet hawk ate his hand? Yes, really! And after that, it gets sillier...
I actually think that Hateful Eight was a better movie than Ingluorious or Django Unchained for the simple reason that it didn't really have a story to get in the way. At least bad storytelling was left out of the picture, is what I'm trying to say, I guess. You would love a scene in Hateful when, after an intermission, Tarantino uses himself as a narrator to tell the audience an important plot point that's about to happen five minutes from now. Even for him, it was over the top. It's a shame that his ego has taken over as the main driver of his movies. I liked his first four movies (considering Kill Bill one film). Now I feel kind of sad when I watch them.
I'm not sure if any movie threads that aren't about "Star Wars" are alive, but if this one isn't quite dead yet, could I suggest that the most interesting spaghetti westerns are any not directed by Sergio Leone? These days people think of him as Mister Spaghetti Western, but he directed a grand total of five of them, and only seven movies altogether (yes, I have seen "The Colossus Of Rhodes", and no, I wouldn't recommend it except for Leone completists). Good though Leone is (over half the movies he made are very good indeed, which is a superb average for any director), there were literally hundreds of spaghetti westerns covering the full gamut from the good to the bad via the downright ugly. Also, Sergio Leone may have been an excellent director, but he was a vile human being. Therefore if you actually want to say anything meaningful about spaghetti westerns, how about skipping the really obvious ones and having a look at the work of people like Sergio Corbucci? After all, he gave the world a character called Django, of whom we've heard quite a lot recently. Though since in all other films in which he appeared - and there are unofficially about 50 of them - Django was white, I'm not convinced that's the same guy. I'm not being racist, I'm just going by the law of averages. So, if you really want an interesting spaghetti western discussion, how about the following? Django Django Kill! A Bullet For The General Today It's Me, Tomorrow It's You A Professional Gun Compañeros The Big Silence If You Meet Sartana, Pray For Your Death Sabata The Return Of Sabata Adios, Sabata (etc. etc. etc.) I could go on, but the comments in most of the movie threads are so few and so short that I'm not sure anyone's really interested. However, if it's an actual ongoing thing, I'm your man - I do know my movies fairly well. This is a slightly old thread and you've already chosen "Once Upon A Time In The West", but if anybody can be bothered, how about revisiting this theme with the demented excesses of "Django"? Or if you want to get a tad more profound, "The Big Silence"? Because every reply you've had implies that people seem to think all spaghetti westerns were directed by Sergio Leone, which is a bit like saying that every zombie film ever made was directed by George Romero. Movies are supposed to be diverse. Let's make 'em so.
Discussion threads are always alive, but voting threads are ended after a few days. The club is gonna be back next week, though. I took a break for the holidays. Think we're gonna move on after Once Upon a Time. Don't want to really return to an old topic for the sake of diversity. However the user with the most shared comment in a round's discussion thread gets to choose the topic for the next vote. So there's that. And you can always drop by to nominate a film in a voting thread.
I'm lurking this thread and I'm honestly stunned rd95 hasn't been all over this thread yet. He is a western and spaghetti fanatic of grand proportions. I'm no connoisseur, but I really loved The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly. Honestly the whole series of movies were good, but I really liked the whole idea of a movie casted solely on the character archetypes. I've seen the same concept used in more recent films and really liked the nod. I'm pressing the memory to find what other movies have used this paradigm, but I find it to be a staple in a lot of the Spaghetti Westerns I've seen. Django Unchained followed a bit of this and I honestly loved it a lot more than the general reviews did.
Dude rd95... There's a growing list. But I like the sound of it already. I think we should have a movie recommendation/critique thread up here sometime. I'd like to see why I should get into new genres and broaden my spectrum.
It's not a problem. I'd rather remove people than annoy them. Done.