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noeatnosleep  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: October 28th: What are you reading this week?

Alvin is what drove me away from Card as well. When compared to the Ender series it really clued you in on how exactly Card views himself. The similarities of Alvin and Ender are poignant.

It's like Card considers himself a tortured and lonely genius with no friends because he's a genius.





rinx  ·  3095 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Card being an unrelenting asshole drove me away from him. If a friend lends me his books maybe I'll read more, but I'm not giving him any of my money. He doesn't get residuals from his movie, so it's safe to see (and my friend is in it!).

    Having been anointed from the start of his career because he was that magical combination -- a black man who talks like a white man (that's what they mean by calling him "articulate" and a "great speaker") -- he has never had to work for a living, and he has never had to struggle to accomplish goals. He despises ordinary people, is hostile to any religion that doesn't have Obama as its deity, and his contempt for the military is complete.

His blog on Obama

    Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society’s regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.

Another blog post

steve  ·  3093 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Rinx... I love ya - I'm neither trying to pick a fight, nor am I trying to defend Card the clown... But you've chosen two "posts" of his that aren't exactly.... In context. The dude has said plenty of stuff that is ridiculous to be sure. But both of these have big caveats that give him some serious wiggle room.

noeatnosleep  ·  3092 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Care to share the caveats?

rinx  ·  3093 days ago  ·  link  ·  

He's pretty open about his crazy, I had no intention of exaggerating or taking those snips out of context. How do you feel they misrepresent him? I linked the posts they are from, I figure people interested enough can read the whole thing (without giving his blog pageviews)

steve  ·  3092 days ago  ·  link  ·  

On both of the examples you provided he gives pretty clear written excuses for why the reader shouldn't take the pieces the way (I think) you're taking them. I'm not suggesting that he's right... These two just happen to have his caveats.

(Even if they do sound a little like "I'm not a racist but...")

And look. I didn't read all of either of the posts. I can't stand Card. I'm not really trying to pick a fight or anything. If anything - we probably agree more about this than either of us think. He's a wild card (pun intended). You never know what nonsense will pop up.

rinx  ·  3091 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think your trying to pick a fight at all! Call me out anytime if it looks like I'm steering people wrong. Issues like race, personal politics, gay marriage are complex ones, it's hard to find few line snippits to show people his messed up views. Hopefully people can dig a bit and decide for themselves. I went to a speech of his at Harvard, it was a horrible moment where someone I'd idolized turned out to be awful. Since I can't copy paste that, I just grabbed some quotes to warn people.

I understand too you don't have to be a good person to write good books. While I think several of his books are worth reading, I'm in the US and we vote with our money. He can't have mine.

user-inactivated  ·  3091 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    While I think several of his books are worth reading, I'm in the US and we vote with our money. He can't have mine.

noeatnosleep  ·  3095 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What a lunatic.

kleinbl00  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Then read Songmaster. Then read Wyrms. Then read Treason - the retconned version, because the original Treason (which was better) has long been out of print since Card rewrote it.

Really, everything you need to know about Orson Scott Card is contained in Kingsmeat, which is probably six pages long.

noeatnosleep  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But I don't want to read any more Card! =(

kleinbl00  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  
user-inactivated  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Did you read Earthhome or Earthbound or whatever

It was a disaster.

I did really enjoy the Xenocide books, once, years ago. It was just such an odd direction to go from Ender's Game. I bet the novelty has worn off.

kleinbl00  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ender's Game, as a short story, ended with Ender blowing up the alien homeworld, realizing he'd committed genocide, staring blankly into the distance, and then the two military guys are at a playground saying "huh. Kids!" The end. There really wasn't anywhere to go with it. That weird-ass 4th act Card tagged on to the novel exists pretty much so that he could dig himself out of a definitively done story.

A storyteller that didn't see himself as the messiah reborn would have finished with Ender in Book 1 and then followed a different POV.

tehstone  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What is that sub?

edit: nevermind

noeatnosleep  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels this way. It's good confirmation for me.

Also, I didn't realize you were a redditor/moderator. Heh. I feel like i should have known that, somehow.

Do you ever get on snoonet?

kleinbl00  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm almost positive you messaged the modmail of /r/hubski like three days ago. ;-)

I'm not just a redditor, I'm a monster of the ancient deep. I'm in the first Upvoted podcast. However, since I abandoned modding my last default, I'm only over there like every third or fourth day. The place has changed a whole bumch.

noeatnosleep  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha, I think I did.

I need to reddit less. I used to have 4 defaults, including /r/music, and /r/politics and all kinds of medium level subs on top of that... I've slowed back to just /r/gadgets, /r/history and /r/politics. I'm considering going to just /r/gadgets one of these days, and that's mainly because I am the top (2nd technically, but boss has been inactive for years) mod and I built the subreddit from 10k people to the default it is now.

It eats my time and my mind up, though. I'm so frustrated with the admins and the website in general, and it shouldn't bother me anywhere close to as much as it does.

I do have a massive amount of time invested... I have written tons of bots and tools and even run my own website dedicated to things like that. (http://noeatnosleep.me)

I have to figure out when I should put it down and why, and then do it.

kleinbl00  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fuck yeah! I used bot_watchman, seo_killer and ban_pruner extensively! We've talked about this.

I walked away from r/movies and it felt like a weight had been lifted from my shoulders. It's been downhill since jedberg left, but once Alexis came back and demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that not only did he not get it, he also didn't give a fuck... well, I didn't wanna give 'em my time anymore.

user-inactivated  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I used to spend 20+ hours a week engaged on Reddit. Now it might be 30 minutes for the week, and that is to only look at the local subreddit. The community there has really changed in the last year or so, hasn't it? I mean Reddit has been getting younger over time as more people find the site, but even the non-defaults have, IMO, seen a drop in quality.

I was looking hard at voat, but with the FPH invasion, they turned that place into a shit fest. If I want a shit fest, I'll hang out on the chan boards.

Hubski is neat, and the people are interesting, so I'm here for the duration.

noeatnosleep  ·  3095 days ago  ·  link  ·  

voat has been crap since day 1. I won't be caught dead there.

I don't think Reddit has changed as much as some people say; it's changed some, but I'm almost ten years older than I was when I started on Reddit. I've changed.

someguyfromcanada  ·  3096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Damn I did not even correlate you with /r/history. I knew several of those co-mods until I dumped reddit. I modded tons of SFWPs and /r/food and a few others.

noeatnosleep  ·  3095 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Awesome!

I'll be gone before long, I think.

someguyfromcanada  ·  3095 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah I was really involved with redditgifts/secretsanta and their sale to reddit was the beginning of the end for me. The entire culture of the modding and subreddit changed. One failed initiative after another without any input from the community and no advance notice to the mods even though we had to deal with the consequences.

I was literally told at one point that redditgifts was no longer responsible to the community but to the CEO. I understand that but it was such an incredibly dramatic shift and the mods were not even told of that shift when it happened as they just stopped responding to reasonable requests and questions. And now the two founders and their first mod and hire are all gone. Within months after the founders were given the ultimatum to move back to SF from SLC (where they had moved to from SF for very serious family issues.) And then they fired someone essentially because he had medical issues. That is just cruel. Then the safe space stuff. And then a bunch of other people I liked got fired, etc. etc. and I decided I just could not be supportive of that anymore. Too bad because even though I blocked most of it I really did enjoy certain little pockets.