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dublinben  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Jeremy Clarkson ‘not worth the money’ Amazon spent, says Netflix executive

Top Gear is immensely popular. I don't find it unlikely that they could deliver a million new subscribers to Amazon Prime.





kleinbl00  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Let's not get carried away. It's BBC America popular. Yeah it's popular in the UK but as a market, the UK is California, Oregon and Washington.

Amongst the kiddies, John Oliver is "immensely popular." I don't see anyone throwing $244m at John Oliver. And remember - that's the above the line cost. That's salary. You still have to build a show.

Dr. Who is "immensely popular." Dr. Who at $244m is batshit insane.

veen  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Top Gear has a weekly audience of 350 million viewers (it's in the Guiness Book of Records as most-watched factual show) and has made $225m in revenue for the BBC. Most of that comes from selling it to the 200+ countries it's broadcast in, but still, there's money to be made here.

kleinbl00  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmmm. You're right. Those are big numbers. That said, the MASH finale had 121m viewers, beating out "Who Shot JR" and the Superbowl... but AfterMash lasted 31 episodes and finished Season 1 tenth overall.

It's a stupid amount of money for a media company that barely knows how to sell things to Americans, let alone a worldwide market. They have zero variety programming. And this is just the above-the-line charge - they still have to build a show.

NBC's The Voice opened with $750k in above-the-line charges per episode. Hell's Kitchen pays $350k. Whatever this new Top Gear Thing is gonna be, they're paying $8m before they shoot a frame of footage.

And I'll admit it - I hate fucking Jeremy Clarkson. One Simon Cowell is enough, thanks.

WanderingEng  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    That said, the MASH finale had 121m viewers, beating out "Who Shot JR" and the Superbowl... but AfterMash lasted 31 episodes and finished Season 1 tenth overall.

The example I'll offer is derivative bands. I've seen a band play a sold out 1000 capacity venue, but when a band with one of the members returned to town two months later, they couldn't sell 50 tickets. Hardcore fans will follow, but the real money is in the casual fans.

Top Gear put up huge numbers, but it's going to take a great effort by Amazon to carry that over to a new show. As others noted here, the editing and production on Top Gear was excellent. I enjoy Top Gear as an entire show. Would I enjoy a show that with the same presenters but a lower production quality? Would I pay for an Amazon Prime account to watch it? No, probably not.

user-inactivated  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You hate Clarkson, and yet you still watch reruns of the show.

There is simply a colossal amount of viewers of the show. Worth the money or not, it is easy to see how Amazon could rationalize spending it.

kleinbl00  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sure - but Bezos rationalized Blue Origin and the Fire Phone so it's easy to see how they rationalize anything.

Doesn't mean they didn't overpay.

bhrgunatha  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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kleinbl00  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They're going toe-to-toe with Netflix in Japan.

user-inactivated  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There might be money to be made in the show. However, I think the true value might come from getting Amazon members in general from the International market, something that could greatly boost their retail business.

veen  ·  3382 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's gonna be a tough game for Amazon. They're trying to launch here too, but we already have multiple huge online webstores in the Netherlands: Bol.com is our Amazon and Coolblue is like Newegg. The Netherlands is small enough that almost all orders are one-day delivery even when you order at 11pm, and they're experimenting with same-day delivery already. Why the hell would I pay for 'fast' shipping from a store that has far less to offer than those?