So how guilty should some random 16-year-old white person feel about slavery, considering he had precisely nothing to do with it? If your great great grandfather killed a man, how guilty should you feel about it? The sane answer is "not at all, because you had nothing to do with it".
I think this is more a matter of biology than preference. Men don't exactly choose whom we're attracted to. Besides, I would venture a guess that most white men aren't into black girls, but not because they're racist scumbags. If it's any consolation, I bet most white women would be just fine with a black man, especially without the attached social stigma.
Despite the clear fact that anyone who appears to be a racist will get ostracized hard? Can our white, Western culture be both hypersensitive about racial issues and racist at the same time? That would be like being allergic to cats and having 40 of them in your apartment.as time goes by, more and more people who are simply unwilling to look at the past because it’s easier for them to not identify any problems, even though others don’t have that luxury
There are people who think that saying “I’m not into black girls” despite the fact that they’re upwards of 500 million of them on the planet and the color of their skin is the only prerequisite that they failed to meet, who think that it’s just a matter of preference
White supremacy is a weight that continues to stunt the growth of the black american even today
Wait so women can choose who they are attracted to but not men? That doesn't make much sense at all. I am a Hispanic guy who grew up in a mostly white neighborhood and went to school with a white majority student body. When it came to liking girls, blondes really attracted at a young age because I mostly saw white girls for the first eighteen years of my life but as I got older and exposed to many more types of people, I found girls of all races to be attractive. So the concepts of me only liking white blonde girls changed as i was exposed to new people. I changed my mind. Nothing in my biological nature persuaded me to stay on the "right" course. People can change their minds once they get exposed to new surroundings and put down their stereotypes and realize that people of a different skin color are really no different than them in the grand scheme of things. I mean if white women can change their mind why not a white man? Also I wouldn't say racists are completely ostracized hard at all. The reputation of a racist can be harmed if they're president of a big company and put their racism out in the open but if some guy makes casual racist remarks at his office, then there is a good chance he can get away with it. The KKK may be pretty much dying but casual racism is still around. Look at Internet Message boards, they are littered with casual racism that nobody is really calling them out on.
I'm curious about what would be considered "casual racism". I always had a pretty mixed friend group and we're always be taking the piss out of each other for being black/white/Asian. Actually, race jokes in general are pretty common with us. Should we be ashamed or outraged with ourselves? Should we take offense? Where do you draw the line between racism and having a laugh?
Casual Racism is more along the lines of using racial slurs/ideas/stereotypes in a light hearted matter in an everyday setting such as an office or at dinner and just expecting that everyone is going to be cool with it. I mean your friends might not have issues with all the race jokes but supposed someone from outside your group hears them? They might have a problem with it because some jokes hurt a lot more than you think to some people. Everyone is different in what offends them, so it's kinda tough to determine where ones draw the line in this sort of thing. You just have to be careful though because you have no idea how someone's going to something you might see as light hearted.
Interesting view, and I half-agree with you. In an unfamiliar/professional setting it's definitely important to remain sensitive to these things, because, as you said, you don't know what people might take offense at. If someone from outside my friend group overhears us and finds it offensive... Then they find it offensive. They can have a problem with it all they like. However, I'd be hesitant to label it as 'casual racism'; doing so is subtly calling the speaker a racist. A person isn't a racist unless they believe that one race is inferior to the other. Unless the speaker genuinely believes that and their words reflect that belief, it shouldn't be labeled as 'racism'. Stripping away the intention and focusing on the words will always lead to misinterpretation. For example, by focusing solely on the words, something as innocuous as "I love steak" can be interpreted as promoting animal cruelty. However, the speaker could really just be enjoying his dinner. It's impossible to make sure that nobody is offended by what I say, so I shouldn't be branded a racist just because someone took offense. If anyone is offended at anything, they should think "Why am I offended?" and "What was that person's intention?" We shouldn't be so quick to jump the gun and call them racists. I mean your friends might not have issues with all the race jokes but supposed someone from outside your group hears them? They might have a problem with it because some jokes hurt a lot more than you think to some people.
Well it's a good thing I never said that, then? Good for you. So what? There's also a good chance he'll lose his job for it. And yet here we are, on an Internet Message Board, bemoaning racism (or the bemoaning of non-existent racism).Wait so women can choose who they are attracted to but not men? That doesn't make much sense at all.
as I got older and exposed to many more types of people, I found girls of all races to be attractive
if some guy makes casual racist remarks at his office, then there is a good chance he can get away with it
Look at Internet Message boards, they are littered with casual racism that nobody is really calling them out on.
It's not meaningful to talk about personal responsibility or guilt when it comes to dealing with issues of systemic racism. The idea is that we ought to sympathize with the struggle of oppressed groups and turn that into a push to reform the system; not out of white guilt, but out of moral conviction. Yes. Interpersonal racism is treated as an unforgivable sin and a taboo, while systemic racism lies basically untouched. "SJWs" on the internet love to shame individual people, but they never manage to do more than talk about fixing systemic racism because nobody has the courage or sheer ability to organize and engage in direct political action IRL anymore. It's all displaced rage arising from feelings of political impotence.So how guilty should some random 16-year-old white person feel about slavery, considering he had precisely nothing to do with it?
Can our white, Western culture be both hypersensitive about racial issues and racist at the same time?
Sure it is. You're asking a vast group of individuals to feel guilty about bad things some of their ancestors did a long time ago. That still doesn't make any sense whatsoever, because these individuals had nothing to do with it. We do sympathize the shit out of them. That's exactly why White Guilt is even a thing. Without the hypersensitive sympathizing, people would see the inanity of feeling guilty for something someone else did. You can't detach "the system" from the individuals. There is no systemic racism without individual racism, and since individual racism is not tolerated at all, there is no systemic racism either. Besides, you've got it backwards: White people will lose their jobs over racist tweets for example, but a black person can laugh about killing white people on national TV and people just mindlessly "Woooo" at him. You have no case. Stop spreading misguided ideas.It's not meaningful to talk about personal responsibility or guilt when it comes to dealing with issues of systemic racism.
The idea is that we ought to sympathize with the struggle of oppressed groups and turn that into a push to reform the system; not out of white guilt, but out of moral conviction.
Yes. Interpersonal racism is treated as an unforgivable sin and a taboo, while systemic racism lies basically untouched.
Really, this doesn't even merit a response. You're just saying "nuh-uh" without backing anything up. But whatever: No I'm not. It's likely you don't understand what guilt means, and how it is distinct from sympathy. Suspicions confirmed. Guilt implies that you did something wrong, and deserve to be punished. The vast majority of white people today never did anything wrong, so they shouldn't be supporting the cause of racial justice out of guilt. They should be supporting the cause out of universal moral duty, because the current configuration of our society is unfair and immoral. You're saying, then, that it's not possible for everyone within a system to act with particular intentions, and yet yield a result that they did not intend or desire at all due to the way the incentive structure is configured? I hope you have proof of this claim, because the field of game theory would be revolutionized.You're asking a vast group of individuals to feel guilty about bad things some of their ancestors did a long time ago.
We do sympathize the shit out of them. That's exactly why White Guilt is even a thing.
You can't detach "the system" from the individuals. There is no systemic racism without individual racism, and since individual racism is not tolerated at all, there is no systemic racism either.
You're just being dishonest. Without backing anything up? Somehow you conveniently ignored Jamie Foxx.Really, this doesn't even merit a response. You're just saying "nuh-uh" without backing anything up. But whatever
Seek more info here. I'm very interested in your guess. It's true. I'm ostracizing you pretty hard right now mentally. Could you explain to me more how white men find black women unattractive, but white women find black men attractive?I think this is more a matter of biology than preference. Men don't exactly choose whom we're attracted to. Besides, I would venture a guess that most white men aren't into black girls, but not because they're racist scumbags.
Despite the clear fact that anyone who appears to be a racist will get ostracized hard?
Huh? What do you mean? There's no link, and you seem to have had some sort of formatting/quoting accident. Or maybe you're suggesting that seeing someone contradict my position should make me abandon it? I'm afraid I can't.Seek more info here.
It's true. I'm ostracizing you pretty hard right now mentally. Could you explain to me more how white men find black women unattractive, but white women find black men attractive?
How about this:
So basically: .. Ask your penis. If you have honest, white male friends, ask them too.
We all know there's very little porn with black women in it, and there's a reason for that. There's shitloads of porn with white or Asian women though, and there's a reason for that too. - How many percent of all porn has black women in it?
- How many percent has white women in it?
- How many percent has Asian women in it?Could you explain to me more how white men find black women unattractive
Female Pornstars by race: 14% 70.5% 5.2% All numbers above are sourced here. Which, oddly enough, are pretty close to the demographic breakdown of women in the United States as of 2010. White Women: 63.8% African-American Women: 12.7% Asian-American Women: 4.9%- How many percent of all porn has black women in it?
- How many percent has white women in it?
- How many percent has Asian women in it?
Alright, let's try this another way. Browse through The PirateBay's porn torrents and see how many percent of the videos you come across have black women in them. That percentage is way less than 14% and indicative of what men actually want to see.
I don't think his statement is true, I'd need to see some numbers on interracial relationships before I believed it, but if I were to hazard a cause for the possible scenario I would say media portrayal. You very rarely see white men and black women together in movies and television.