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I mean 10 years down the road. It’s like natives in Canada you could decide it’s just skin colour or it’s ya know how we traumatized entire generations. The caretaker-child ratio needs to be good enough that this doesn’t turn into another situation like the Romanian orphanages.

So basically they’ll screw up the brain development of a bunch of small children and then blame their skin colour for it.

oyster  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: #MeToo comes for John Lasseter

    I am unable to form an informed opinion of that, not enough relevant data.

Interesting you didn't feel this way about the pages of work her lawyer did that you've never seen. You formed an opinion on that one.

    She's not on trial, I have no idea what this phrase means in context

Yes you do, because I explained to you how she is on trial in the court of public opinion that you seem to have a problem with.

I'm going to go on a tangent here because this irritates the hell out of me. You were challenged on a point and you shut down and started quoting what you think you believe in.

    It is a cornerstone of liberal democracy that the accused be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

This is something you said because apparently it's something you believe in, I bet you've even said you would die for it, but only in the context that they told you to care about it.

You don't have to presume innocence or care about any of that stuff unless somebody is literally on trial by the government, right ? I mean that's basically what I'm challenging you on. You say she's not on trial so you can belittle the prosecutions paperwork all you want while disregarding the whole thing as a witch hunt and I say she is on trial in another way. This concept was a thing before it became easily quotable though for reasons. Do you see any other reason to presume somebodies innocence ? Take the government out of the equation. Why should you presume innocence in a one on one situation ? A group ? Family ? Community ? Does it matter at all to you in those situations ? Because the only thing you can seem to say here is that she isn't on trial which suggest to me that you haven't considered presumption of innocence as a concept outside of government.

I have, and I don't have any interest in carrying on a discussion with people who can't leave their safe harbors of easily quotable concepts the government told them to care about.

oyster  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: June 13, 2018

I mean I don’t know what you do but I have a sneaking suspicion looks don’t play a major role in what sounds like cooking drugs the legal way. Like what does she think, some other dude with a bad nose makes better drugs ?

It most likely is bullshit and she’s likely just threatened by you in some way. Probably had bigger dreams for herself, maybe she wishes she was most confident in going for them. I realized today on my walk (weird timing) that you don’t have to feel bad for taking opportunity when it’s presented in front of you, being able to jump on things is something that sets people apart. I have a sneaking suspicion people with that kind of confidence don’t get dragged down in the same way as people who are afraid to exposed as frauds. They smell it dude.

oyster  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: June 13, 2018

Next time somebody says that just laugh, look them right in the eye and tell them you’ll remember them when you’re at the top. Technically you didn’t call them ugly/say they won’t move up, but deep down they’ll know.

oyster  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: #MeToo comes for John Lasseter

Well you haven’t denied thinking she’s lying, or denied that you don’t care to respect her innocence so I’ll just keep going with the assumption you agree. This latest comment seems to say you don’t have to because she’s not on trial.

She isn’t accused of a crime but that doesn’t mean she’s not on trial in the very court you find so distasteful. For the entire time I’ve been alive women have been afraid to come forward with allegations of harassment or assault because of what it could do to their life even if they have plenty of evidence. There’s a reason things got to this point, I understand finding the outcome less than ideal but honestly I just think we’re lucky things didn’t get violent.

oyster  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: #MeToo comes for John Lasseter

Do you actually not see how calling this a witch hunt and belittling what her lawyer did in a childish fashion makes you look ?

You can act all proper now, but you obviously don’t respect that she is innocent as well. At the very least you are considerably more careful picking your words as it pertains to his life than you are hers.


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    Prove it in a court of law and I'll eat my hat

That saying means you highly highly highly doubt that will be the outcome. Meaning you don’t just thinks he’s innocent, you think it’s so damn unlikely he’s guilty that you’ll eat your hat if it goes that way. That’s not just presumption of innocent, that’s when you don’t bother charging someone at all.

oyster  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: #MeToo comes for John Lasseter

Ah yes, everybody falls back on that.

The kicker though is that also needs to mean you assume she is innocent of lying. You’ve made it clear you think he’s innocent at the expense of her innocence.

This is a pretty big problem with this subject. There are plenty of people in the world that think if a man is found innocent then the woman is lying and should be locked up all while having zero proof of her lying. That is also mob rule, except from people who think they are enlightened and above that sort of thing.

oyster  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: #MeToo comes for John Lasseter

What’s annoying isn’t that you are the type of person who wants to wait for a trial ( you aren’t that person) it’s that you’ve revealed in your answers you’ve already decided he’s innocent.

You’ve just decided that she is guilty of lying instead. You’re not above any of this. You might not want to admit that but if you’ve already decided he’s innocent you clearly think she lied. That’s what bullshit, I’m friendly to the men who harass me, I have to be. Other woman probably don’t have the same experience with some men I do, good for them. Anybody using that as evidence to discredit women who come forward is bullshit.

You don’t have to form on opinion on innocence of either party, but don’t pretend you’re not a part of the court of public opinion when you clearly are. Sitting back and listening without judgment requires that you actually want to hear out both sides, not decide that you in your infinite wisdom know why women act how they do.

I don’t think he’s really being an asshole now to save face/look tough though, I think he’s just unraveling after he failed to show strength/leadership in a meeting. I feel like the ensuing twitter rant was just unhinged ramblings of a mad man who’s used to being the boss in meetings, not an attempt to show strength. Pete Souza has been sharing pictures on his insta from the start of the summit of Obama looking respected and like a leader other leaders listen too at previous summits. I don’t doubt that’s how he wanted to look, like he was on top. He probably thought that’s how he would look and he likely blames everybody but himself for not coming across that way. Kudlow seemed to suggest that the other leaders should have made this summit about Trump and his meeting with NK which only proves how narcissistic the guy is. The picture with Merkel make’s him look like a boy being scolded so I’m surprised he hasn’t lashed out at her more.

The theory I heard is that he wanted to look tough at the G7 summit before his meeting with North Korea but all everybody talked about was how he was late to a meeting and got put in his place multiple times. So now he’s lashing out at Trudeau on Twitter because he’s basically a toddler.

oyster  ·  link  ·  parent  ·  post: Death in the Alpine

    and at the trailheads there was as much grass as snow.

This is definitely one of those things that screws people up. I was doing a hike years back that I had done many times before and ended up getting hailed on hard. It was a beautiful day out and only sprinkled rain in the town we had only really hiked 15 minutes away from. That was like July, the mountains are unpredictable. The hike itself lead to a beautiful lake but it was the third time before I was able to make it the whole way because we kept hiking up to winter. Even that time we couldn’t walk around the lake because it was still snowy so we jumped in and went back down. The good thing about that hike though is there is also a waterfall or look out to consider as the destination. It also helps that I lived in the town for the summer so I never felt a need to push through bad conditions.

People ask all the time what to wear for hikes here and my answer has never changed, wear what your comfortable in now and then bring a pack filled with clothing for every possibility. That’s why all the expensive lightweight clothing is so worth the money.

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