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uhsguy  ·  229 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Bernie endorses Joe

The taking points for Biden on reddit:

- orange man bad

- Supreme Court

- abortion

Seriously nobody under 50 wants Biden many just want to vote against trump.

Almost a complete repeat of the last election





mk  ·  228 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I’m under 50. I prefer Biden to Bernie. In all seriousness, are you looking at the vote counts between this and last primaries? Biden got nearly twice as many votes as Bernie in states that Bernie beat Hillary in handily. That happened again in Wisconsin last week, and they voted in a liberal state supreme court judge. Look at swing states like MN and MI 2016 vs 2020.

Why am I to believe that Bernie could win the general election when he isn’t competitive against Biden in the Dem primary?

Saying this is a repeat doesn’t make it so. The numbers do not support that theory.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/sanders-banked-on-young-voters-heres-how-the-numbers-have-played-out

Bernie got young support, but not young votes.

b_b  ·  228 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah but you're like 49 1/2.

Seriously though. Bernie people are like Trump people insofar as they're completely impervious to facts about their candidate. Joe wasn't in my top 5 when the process began, but Bernie wasn't in my top 20. I sincerely hope that his endorsement isn't hollow in the same way that his Clinton endorsement was.

mk  ·  228 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Political reality bubbles are getting smaller and the emotional barriers are getting stronger.

Barack Obama was a moderate Dem and he beat McCain and Romney, both moderate Republicans.

This is an interesting graph. Look at Gen Z. They started at 30%:

Maybe it's because everyone is getting more involved.

And the Boomer reign is finally ending:

tacocat  ·  229 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This seems to me like a repeat of 2004 when the Dems were so determined to beat the incumbent they decided they couldn't risk nominating someone who people were excited about or showed any shred of human emotion himself

kleinbl00  ·  229 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dean would have been a competent, centrist, charismatic bureaucrat of a leader. He's the kind of guy who would have gone to the mattresses over something wonky like proportional voting. But he understood the internet, therefore he petrified the Democratic establishment, therefore they shiv'd him.

tacocat  ·  229 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Then they made him DNC chair and he helped get Obama elected.

The republicans on the other hand didn't think they could handle Trump and when he won said, "Fine. I guess we're openly fascist now."

uhsguy  ·  229 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I also vaguely remember being excited about Dean but then the Democratic Party killed his chances. I’m not sure what the real story was there I’m sure it wasn’t just about the dean scream but I was too young to understand that at the time and bought into that bullshit

tacocat  ·  229 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The Dean scream was overplayed in the media but it definitely helped end his campaign. I would like not to seem like I'm getting into media conspiracy territory but I will say I got into Noam Chomsky a year or two after that election