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comment by ButterflyEffect

Isn't it more of a third-life crisis?

    ...your job changes.

None right now, but I'm entirely unsure if I really want to be an Engineer which is unfortunate considering that's what I'm studying and working as right now. It's kind of boring and I think it's more a factor of the places I've worked and the managers I've worked for. At the same time, I find myself wanting to work with people more and more and working on company development and doing those sorts of things. Due to this I'm strongly considering going for an MBA and getting into management if I stick this course. My other option right now is to go to graduate school for higher education. I love student affairs, I'm heavily involved with it at college and there are a lot of challenges to it. Last option, stick it out, take a bunch of bio courses next year and get into something bio/medical related if Chemical Engineering + some biomed engineering courses is enough. I just want to be able to help people in a more direct manner.

Part of why I'm so resoundingly "meh" on engineering is the people. There are some interesting people but most engineers that I've met don't share the same interests as me (music, alt./DIY culture) and are all about engineering only. Case in point: I had my resume reviewed by a fellow who has an oil/gas company (A: fuck that industry) since he was offering on the Chem. Eng. subreddit, and he basically told me to remove everything that wasn't directly related to engineering which is complete bullshit. It's also not the first time someone has said that, but I'm not buying...maybe I'm just not buying into engineering as a whole...sigh.

    I could just get a shit job and dick around and not have to worry so much.

Fuck. _refugee_, I just spent all those words expressing that this is what I'm trying to avoid.

    Where are you on the path to personal fulfillment, and where would you like to be?

I'm still working on an album! 8 songs in and I'd like a couple more, followed by revisions, recording, and releasing. It's going to be digital only but slowly getting excited about it. I'd like to be at the release point. Other personal fulfillment, I'm going out with one girl tonight and with another tomorrow night. Does that count? I don't know, it's exciting to be seeing different people for the first time in a long time and I think that counts as personal fulfillment. Other things, I'd like to be at the point where everybody knows about my record label and buys all of our things so we can sell out and use that money for more music and merchandisssssseeeee.

Quarter-life crisis? Maybe. I'm just trying to go with it at this point and figure out what I want from myself and my future. The answer to that is everything because I'm occasionally insatiable but at some point you have to narrow it down right? Or is it better to have likely unrealistic aspirations?





kleinbl00  ·  3879 days ago  ·  link  ·  

..."what are you recording in?" he asked curiously.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3879 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Once I'm back at college it's going to be two of these bad boys with LSDJ-flashed cartridges plus my guitar going into Pro Tools 10. Since you can separate channels from LSDJ it's going to be anywhere from a 6-9 channel mix depending on the song.

Once this is done I'm probably moving on to Ableton for production.

kleinbl00  ·  3879 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It'd be pretty amusing all 'round were you to send me your Pro Tools sessions.

Just sayin'.

am_Unition  ·  3879 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Once this is done I'm probably moving on to Ableton for production.

Do it as soon as you can afford to.

You won't be sorry! :)

am_Unition  ·  3879 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I'm still working on an album! 8 songs in and I'd like a couple more, followed by revisions, recording, and releasing.

Let me know when you'd like a second pair of ears to parse through your work, I owe you one, amigo.

_refugee_  ·  3879 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I just spent all those words expressing that this is what I'm trying to avoid.

Yes. The problem with thinking about what's causing your crisis is, well, it forces you to focus on the crisis which is in part I think what the whole crisis is about. I think most people try to avoid thinkinga bout these things until they have to.

As for tailoring the resume that's actually pretty standard practice across areas, I think - once you have enough experience, that is. If you are applying for your first "real job" and the only other jobs you've had before that are part-time and don't directly apply, I'd keep 'em on there just to show that you have worked. But if you have lots of experience in the field where you are applying, then it makes sense to highlight that and kind of shove the rest under the rug, even though it may feel disingenuous or like you're unable to showcase what you might consider your more impressive achievements.

A lot of people have a difficult time adjusting to the concept that you can't always be the whole person you are in a workplace. And I say that with kindness having experienced that struggle in small ways, but being okay not being "fully honest" about myself; and seeing friends who struggle with that a lot more. Co-workers do tend to make or break a job. So if you are worried about the people I could understand that as a valid concern. Could you possibly find some really cool, quirky firm to sign on to? I don't really know how engineering works. My current career sounds dry as dust and in practice is, but I have some really great co-workers so I don't mind slavin' through.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3879 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Whoa. Moment of clarity. First off, this is my third "real" engineering job despite them all being co-ops it's been a full 40-hour week, working as an engineer doing more or less actual tasks. I don't find much of it that impressive, others might but to me it's much harder to effectively manage people and projects compared to doing engineering tasks.

What both of those things come down, which I just figured out is that I hate being confined by outside forces. That nicely ties up the resume, career, and workplace environment issues that I have. I guess I somewhat understand, but don't necessarily accept why work and outside life are partitioned from each other and don't easily become positive extensions of each other.

There's not too many start-ups in the Chemical Engineering industry that I'm aware of, because that sort of equipment and initial investment is an absurd amount of money in order to do anything useful. Well, unless I do the bio thing or take up fuel-cell technologies that is. Both of which are strong possibilities.

kleinbl00  ·  3879 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I had more freedom as a co-op than I ever did as an engineer. It's a good gig. Aside from the pay. Which is still better than most liberal arts grads make for a good long time, so even that's pretty good.

As far as "outside forces" you will never escape them. I'm a straight-up freelancer now and I still have political shit to deal with. All you can do is preserve your own autonomy.

I've watched engineering schools chase fuel cells since '96. They aren't appreciably closer than they were back then. Wanna have fun as a startup-minded chemE? Biofuel, bitch. There's guys turning algae into fuel. There's guys turning chicken parts into fuel. Hell, there's guys turning chicken feathers into plastic. Save the world, get a big fat grant. Or come up with a biodegradable K-cup. Kickstart that shit.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3878 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I just had one awful, awful experience that has soured me on the entire thing. This one isn't bad at all, but the management here is a resounding "eh".

    As far as "outside forces" you will never escape them.

Oh I'm aware of that. It's one of those things that I know is the case and the way that things work but it's hard to accept, and something that I need to figure out how to accept.

As for biofuel, I just saw that a biomaterials course opened up for Fall. Yes please.

kleinbl00  ·  3878 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The trick to management is to avoid them at all costs. Them, accounting, marketing, sales and IT. Manufacturing? They're okay.

thenewgreen  ·  3878 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The key to working with management is to understand that they often have different goals than you do. Understand what their motivating factors are, keep your name off of any "bad lists" and like you say, stay anonymous. A lot of people in the corporate world rightly try to establish their personal brand within the organization. This is great, however the best way to do it is to have your immediate boss singing your praises. For the most part, you don't want his bosses boss to know you exist. Early in my career I volunteered for every thing. I've since learned that it's far better for me to remain anonymous, always hit my numbers and keep my mouth shut. Also, I have absolutely no desire to ever end up in management. None. The pay increase doesn't justify the accountability increase in my opinion. I enjoyed being a "lone wolf." But then, I'm one of the bad guys in "sales"