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humanodon  ·  4211 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How many animals does a vegetarian save? | CountingAnimals.com

I think that's right. However, I'm not sure it would limit agricultural problems overall. Given that variety is necessary for balanced nutrition and that novelty is part of the food culture in many Western countries including the U.S., I'd think that there would be an increased demand for different kinds of vegetables, many of which have different requirements for optimum yields, no?





cgod  ·  4211 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The biomass required to raise a cow far outways the biomass that would have to be raised to substitute for the sustenance that cow would provide.

A study at cornell claims that "For every kilogram of high-quality animal protein produced, livestock are fed nearly 6 kg of plant protein."

humanodon  ·  4211 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Or sometimes the figure used is in acreage, as in 1lb beef = 20 acres of arable land used. I'm not arguing with what you're saying and I take your point, but it wasn't exactly what I was going for in what you responded to. I'm not arguing for meat either, I'm just not convinced that at the present time converting to an entirely plant-based diet would be as seamless and easy as the article implies it to be.

Let's say that we did convert to an all-vegetable diet. The first thing that comes to mind is, where would the seed come from? Well, Monsanto, likely. After the loss of their revenues from corn and soy I'd be surprised if they didn't try to recoup that with sales of other seeds.

Then there's the consideration of labor. It's one thing to harvest vast quantities of a grain crop, like corn, but an entirely different thing to harvest say, tomatoes. Basically, I don't know that converting to an all plant diet would save anything, at least in the short-term. The agriculture industry is largely set up to maintain our current system and I wonder how difficult it would be convert. Also, how would this impact farmers and the need for refrigerated trucks for shipping. Would there be any sort of impact in regard to food waste? Finally, what would happen to animals previously bred and developed to be large-yield food animals? They're not "natural." Would they go extinct?

Obviously I'm taking this to an extreme, but changes on such a large scale are bound to have large impacts.

b_b  ·  4211 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The best scenario would be if we could end the corn subsidy and let the price of meat rise to reflect its true cost (why the fuck does a McDouble cost $1.00?!?!?). That alone would discourage consumption and help to realign our priorities.

humanodon  ·  4211 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Aren't McD's "burgers" mostly soy anyway? In my opinion, people should have to kill their own meat. I'm fine with it, but I know for damn sure that most people never connect the meat on their plate to the animal that eats, walks and shits.

thenewgreen  ·  4211 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Nope, they're 100% beef. Beef from cows that are pumped full of antibiotics.

humanodon  ·  4211 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm, guess so.