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spencerflem  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: These moments totally happened at the GOP primary debate

i still don't really get what everyone's problem with Hillary was. like, she's an establishment hack and not very progressive and not at all exciting, which is exactly the same as Biden

I don't know either. Not really anyone I'm excited about for the presidential race. I feel like if you've gotta be low-energy, Biden hasn't been awful. I'm still mad about all the new oil pipelines, but he's at least made a halfhearted attempt at some good stuff when it doesnt get blocked by congress and the courts. Not sure what else he really can do tbh

Eeeeh, everythings awful bleh

Screw Kennedy Jr

kleinbl00  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Speaking as someone who voted for Clinton? Clinton is the Nixon of the left. She's eminently qualified. She's well-connected. But she's never cultivated trustworthiness or an open appeal to her enemies.

Hilary Clinton has never had much use for people who disagree with her, and she's never felt much need to explain herself to people who don't already get it. Her politics and mine mostly align (mostly) but I'd read the fine print on anything she did because she's a fine print kinda girl.

I think Hilary Clinton is a gifted political operative, but gifted political operatives aren't necessarily electable. They can't be much of the time. Consider how much the Left hates Kissinger, and then consider just how big of a hand-shaped welt Kissinger has left on the ass of history - that dude knew he could accomplish more by not being accountable to voters so he never ran for any elected office.

Hilary won a Senate seat so obviously she's no Kissinger. But I think she's got a little too much Nixon for this political era.

The thing about Biden is he inherited a tabula rasa federal government; the Trump administration cleaned house so thoroughly, on purpose and by accident, that the quiet coersion of conventional government has been borderline revolutionary behind the scenes. My perspective is that Biden is exactly the distraction the Republicans need to keep them from drawing attention to the massive economic and judicial reforms the Democrats are sneaking in during the dead of night.

Government should be boring. Biden is boring. I'm ready to be bored, global warming notwithstanding.

uhsguy  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don’t think she would really be any different than Biden. She was just so smug and entitled, that made her so hatable as a person. Watching her fall was almost as pleasant as watching Elon lose 40 billion on twitter, but of course there is a cost and everyone suffered in the end.

am_Unition  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sure but omg, describing Trump as "not smug" is hilarious.

You are right about some combination of the media and political system failing the country, that much is clear.

uhsguy  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

He’s just as smug. I’m sure a lot of people love watching him fall too. I think he’s enjoying the chaos he’s causing and I don’t find it as enjoyable. Relegating him you irrelevance would have been the best thing.

am_Unition  ·  34 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We don't have a media environment capable of relegating Trump into irrelevance.

I do take some pleasure in his prosecutions, while also acknowledging that it could very well propel him into the presidency once again.

Not that it really matters. Trumpism is the GOP, now. We're gonna invade Mexico, eradicate transexualism, and do whatever Putin wants. I mean... this is literally an anti-American platform.

And I'm with spencerflem, yeah I'm voting for Biden b/c pragmatism, and it'll be with a very, VERY slight amount of enthusiasm, mostly based in the fact that I'm staving off fascism for one more general election cycle.

The GOP needs to reinvent itself. It won't.