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ButterflyEffect  ·  598 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post:

History may not repeat itself but it sure does rhyme, doesn’t it? Watergate - don’t fuck with the records (tapes).

Whatever you want to call this - don’t fuck with the records (documents).





kleinbl00  ·  597 days ago  ·  link  ·  

See, Watergate was one thing - in order to win an election, members of one political party committed a crime against members of another party. It never expanded beyond that - "did the President of the United States order/consent to a break-in at the Democratic National Committee." "What did the President know and when did he know it?" Compare and contrast:

I don't think the records raid is part of some grand strategy. I think the records raid is "I mean yeah we know the dude has classified information in a location foreign nationals have ready access to at any time of the day or night in direct contravention of clear and established law so despite the fact that this is gonna be the most grievous action ever taken against a former president, WE HAVE TO."

I personally am loving that the Jan 6 committee now has Alex Jones' texts, and that this supposedly upsets Tucker Carlson a great deal. The vibe I'm getting is that the country is starting to wake up, hung over, pukey, going "well shit I guess I gotta clean this place up."

I had to watch some Fox News last night. MFers were apoplectic. They had no arguments, they had no rational objections, but they had a lot to say about Hunter Biden and the "praetorian guard" for some reason. Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, even Matthew Fucking Whitaker. I let an hour of angry white men acting like you'd walked in on them while they were taking a shit and then you refused to leave. I get that the Right is s00000000000per mad right now? But they sure as shit aren't coherent about it.

am_Unition  ·  597 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Love that they did it last night, when they knew he'd be in New York to give a deposition.

I dunno about a grand strategy, but I don't think they'd take this step unless there's an overwhelming likelihood that he'll be indicted. Not even necessarily as a result of the raid, or indicted on charges related to classified documents, but just in regards to the relationship of trust with the public the DoJ is trying to maintain.

Yeah I was watchin' some Fox this morning too, hah. Awesome stuff. I wouldn't say I had "FBI raids Mar-a-Lago" on my bingo card, but I have thought for a couple months or so that DoJ will indeed move on Trump. I heard Buck Sexton on Jesse Watters's show (Jesse is on his own tier of stupid, btw) use the phrase "cross the Rubicon", which is a code phrase for "gonna need to use the guns" on Telegram, Parler, and TRUTH, which I've been browsing this morning. It's terrifying. I knew that Trump et al. would use any prosecution against him to rile up his base, but it's still always jarring to witness real-time.

The idea that the FBI or Garland wanted to do this instead of go through negotiations or a subpoena is pretty funny. Remember how NARA already confiscated records from Mar-A-Lago like a year ago? I'm sure they tried every other avenue. And so far, Garland isn't exactly a firebrand, either, at least in his public statements and posturing. Until now, at least, because this is a yuge statement.

I'm bumping up my timeline, I predict he'll be indicted by the end of the year, just after the midterms. He'll announce his candidacy in a month or two, much to McConnell's frustration, which is one more reason to do it, of course. Still don't think he'll ever go to prison. White House instead.

This is also my bet:

edit: lol the Trump campaign sent out fundraising emails last night, almost immediately after the news broke. Surprise. Also, random, but I've been almost impressed with the top-level embrace of "Dark Brandon".

kleinbl00  ·  597 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah the MAGAsphere is just crying out for someone to coordinate some sort of chestpuffery. They got nuthin' tho. Even your buddy there just wants daddy to punish his enemies. "Things will be different when I'm in charge" is wishful thinking, not strategy, and I haven't seen strategy from anyone. Dumbass armed rednecks on their own? that's y'allQaeda shit. It's tedious and dangerous but a threat to the republic it ain't. Threat's over. The only person who can steer this train is Trump and Trump had his conductor card taken away.

And I agree. Garland wouldn't have rolled if he didn't 100% have the goods.

What's going to happen is he's going to be guilty of destroying presidential records, it'll take forever to litigate, the Republican Party won't let him run because secretaries of state can't certify a primary in which the winning contestant can't legally run, and he'll sling mud from the sidelines against everyone who dares to oppose his vision of the Republican Party. It's gonna be hilarious.

goobster  ·  596 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The lawyer that got ahold of Alex Jones texts has now read through them all, and he says that it fills him with a feeling of overwhelming sadness and pity.

He EXPECTED to see Alex Jones as the hub or nexus of a grand group of plotters and right wing movers and shakers.

What he found was a profoundly lonely guy, ostracized by everyone he idolizes, and grasping desperately at the edge for any shred of recognition from those he admires.

And Alex Jones also sent erotic photos of his wife to ... Roger Stone.

Just .... eeew.