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cgod  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

Yall are like IMPEACH!!!

I'm wondering weather it's true and if so how true?





kleinbl00  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Max Blumenthal is with you:

As far as I'm concerned, if this gets one tenth the scrutiny of Benghazi I'll be happy. That doesn't seem too much to ask.

cgod  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha!

I was just reading about Angola. The C.I.A. really took a lickin on that one.

kleinbl00  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If you read Legacy of Ashes you learn that the CIA has pretty much gotten its ass kicked in nearly every engagement, the noteworthy exception being Kermit Roosevelt and the overthrow of Mossadegh. Of course, Wiener doesn't have much to say about the CIA's successful rout of the Soviets in Afghanistan and it certainly doesn't cover their conversion to covert air force under Obama.

cgod  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The CIA did pretty well in Indonesia, Chili, Argentina and few other places if two million or so unnecessary corpses is doing pretty well. An empire based on Trade became the global standard, an empire that mostly didn't involve our own troops but in which we captured a great deal of the benefit. The CIA was a vital cog in that machine.

That's what I think happened at least. We have mostly lost control of the beast we created but it was a glorious half century if you can stomach the cost.

kleinbl00  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You presume that murder and genocide is the goal. I don't think that's fair - I think any clandestine service given the choice between bloodless control or pogroms will go for the velvet glove treatment. By that standard, Indonesia, Chile, Argentina, and the rest of this list are utter and total cockups. I mean,

So in '76 Operation Condor installs the junta. The junta proceeds to murder 30,000 Argentinians. Less than a senatorial term later, they're invading a British protectorate just to look like they're doing something and we're slipping anti-radar missiles to the limeys to take them out.

Ain't nobody sayin' they can't carry water. It's just not the only thing, you know?

cgod  ·  1609 days ago  ·  link  ·  
am_Unition  ·  1612 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sounds pretty true.

It makes some sense to me that several years of foreign policy atrocities could all come crashing down at once. Sucks that it's during a pandemic.

mk  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·  

White House going with they weren’t told.

I don’t think they should Impeach. Not responding is obviously bad policy, but it’s less clear quid pro quo than the Ukraine affair. He should just be hammered relentlessly for it.

cgod  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How many bounties were paid, how much did people get?

Were any bounties actually ever paid?

We don't know.

I've read up on U.S. intelligence activities this past year, mostly historical stuff but I think it's pertinent. Who ever leaked this had a motive. It could be someone who wants to see a stronger position against Russia, it could be someone who wants Trump to lose.

The one thing I don't think it was? A CIA officer who thought the American public needed to be more informed. There are just an ungodly shit ton of things the American people could know about the conduct of the Afghan war or Russian hijinx that would spin our heads are illuminate our understanding of government incompetence.

This was targeted with particular goals in mind by people who use information to try and effect political change for a living.

It might be gospel truth, it might be an intercept of a casual conversation that never amounted to anything. I don't trust "sources" with motives like I do evidence.

Everyone is too ready to believe anything negative about Trump. Being an overly credulous isn't a virtue, but you wouldn't know it by the way most people think about politics. The only group less trustworthy than intelligence agencies is elected officials.

If more evidence is needed to impeach him than he is effectively unimpeachable.

The one thing I think we can all agree on is that Joe Biden is probably the most exciting presidential candidate of the last hundred years!

kleinbl00  ·  1613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Who ever leaked this had a motive.

If I'm in Afghanistan and I have reason to believe the GRU has a bounty on my head? I run that up the chain.

If it comes back down the chain that nothing will be done? I run that to the Washington Post.

If I'm in the Washington Post and I get this tip? I follow up.

And that's all the motive we need.

b_b  ·  1613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I just read a longish profile of Fiona Hill in the new Yorker. In it, she describes is decent detail how individuals inside the administration leak things to the press for the sole purpose of making other individuals look bad to the president, not to the public. They use the press to backstab each other without any regard to the public responsibility of either the government or the media. I'm sure this has been done in the past, but I'm also sure it's never been weaponized this way.

kleinbl00  ·  1613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Looking bad to the public has been no impediment to anyone in this administration, other than getting heckled at restaurants. Everyone there is a brazen opportunist and curtailing the opportunity of your opponent is just checkers.

The basic problem is that integrity is a handicap in this administration, so this is what we get.

am_Unition  ·  1613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's quite the war of "who knew what, when" right now. The waters have been muddied. We need documentation. It exists, but Trump may have eaten it all by 8 AM tomorrow morning.

Prediction: Trump was indeed alerted to this intel, called up Vlad, and took his word against our own intelligence community, just like in Helsinki.

edit: for Trump, every event is an opportunity, right? This will be a convenient loyalty test for his IC top brass.