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johnnyFive  ·  1615 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Open Thread: Impeachment Hearings

Maybe, but I'm a little less pessimistic about this than I was earlier on. Looking at polls, it's a near thing, but more people support impeachment than don't. That's significant.





cgod  ·  1613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Look at swing state polls and see if you still feel as optimistic.

ButterflyEffect  ·  1614 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So hold on because I feel like this is illustrating the point I’m making to kB and which am_Unition seems to share. Sure, yeah more people support impeachment and the impeachment process starting. Looking at those polls 80 fuckin’ percent of the polled Republican-identifying poll participants do not support either!! The aggregate is because of overwhelming support by Democrats and strong enough support from Independents. My biggest fear is we’ve lost 40% of the country.

That is significant.

johnnyFive  ·  1612 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree that it's significant, but to me the (arguably) more important question is whether it's new. I think we often have an idealized notion of what U.S. history has been like, even those of us who don't long for a return to some greatness that never actually was.

am_Unition  ·  1615 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We've traded perspectives, sounds like. I hadn't seen that particular graph, but I'd anticipated/pined for a gradual shift of more and more in favor of impeachment as the last six weeks went by, and thought we'd be somewhere around 60%+ by now. I'm jaded. Wayyyy jaded.

The Ukrainian affair is so obviously, so objectively, unmistakably, both impeachable and criminal. But the lines in the sand are drawn. There is nothing Trump could do to lose ~60% of his supporters, roughly 25% of the country. It's unclear how extreme of an action is required to lose the 40% of Trump supporters open to the possibility of changing their minds, 'cuz if the Ukraine stuff isn't enough, I shudder to think what is.