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comment by OftenBen

Someone tell me that religion isn't the problem here.

Someone tell me that this isn't the fault of religion, but the fault of bad people, and that we shouldn't tar all Christians/Abrahamics with the same brush.





steve  ·  1780 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Raises hand

OftenBen  ·  1773 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Praise God! (The right one of course! Not the wrong one like those other guys!)

kleinbl00  ·  1780 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I had about five paragraphs written but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. At this point I'll bet you can make the argument yourself. Why don't you try? Just for the sake of the exercise. Show me what you got. Gimme your best devil's advocacy.

OftenBen  ·  1773 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I did that for 20 years and was mocked mercilessly for it. Hard pass.

kleinbl00  ·  1773 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The question you need to ask yourself is whether you're beholden to the past or the future.

OftenBen  ·  1771 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The future.

Which is why I am so strident in my opposition to the bronze age thinking that holds us back.

Devac  ·  1771 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's the spirit! Keep throwing everyone who disagrees with you into the same bag, call them names based on affinity, and insinuate they're all the same: fundamentally wrong for not sharing your dogmatic view of the metaphysical. Doesn't make you sound like an unreasonable, bigoted fundie in the slightest.

That didn't feel nice, hasn't it?

I suppose you're going to tell me that you tried civility for years and it didn't work. That said, I still remember that your literal first words uttered to me on IRC, even before I made an account here, weren't "hi", "welcome" or "hello", but "do you believe in god?" followed by some very disgruntled/loaded lines to my deliberately ambiguous "mostly-secular humanist" response. It took you months to change my first impression, and I still recall that introductory bit at times like this. Figured it's worthwhile to share it with you.

Changing other people's mind is more complex and time-intensive than whatever you're doing, especially on concepts as personal and rooted in tradition as faith. It applies to all sides of the argument. As it stands now, you wouldn't be able to convince me, a doubting deist physicist, to the lack of the importance of god or religion. Please, consider at least adding some variety to your usual approach.