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WanderingEng  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Calexit - the New California Republic might be happening.

Some states tried this once, but the federal government didn't let them. It was a big news item for a while.





user-inactivated  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, but it wasn't like there were any social, economic, or political repercussions, short term or long term. Let California have a go. What could possibly go wrong?

Edit: Fucking sarcasm advisory here because suddenly Ive founded myself talking to people taking me seriously on this bullshit. Give me some fuxking credit here people. I know I'm a dense mother fuxker, but I'm not a dumbass.

OftenBen  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Texas has been threatening secession pretty much since the end of the Civil War.

Why should anyone take California's loud-mouthing any more seriously?

WanderingEng  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Texas v White from 1869 is the case that comes up when I search "can a state seceded." Answer: not unilaterally.

b_b  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's a long standing debate about whether the USA exists at the pleasure of the states, or whether the states exist at the pleasure of the USA. Those in favor of "nullification" before and shortly after the civil war certainly thought the former. However, SCOTUS in that case and others have come down firmly on the side of the latter. Since states exist contractually at the pleasure of the federal government, the government could grant them the right to secede, but if I lived in CA, I wouldn't hold my breath (although it would be hilarious to see Thiel all of a sudden not live in Trump's America).

I've often thought that we should have let the Confederacy go at the time. Was the Union really worth saving? KKK is still influencing elections 150 years later.

OftenBen  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Imagine if we lived just a few hundred miles away from David Dukes vision of America, at a large scale, institutional level.

I like to think that it was the lesser of two evils.

b_b  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They'd be our Mexico, and I'd campaign for the wall myself (with apologies to our venerable Southerners; I'm just still in fire-spitting mode).

user-inactivated  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Cause California actually has an economy that could pull it off.

Not that we should actually let them.

OftenBen  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I see no reason to take the surfers any more seriously than the cowboys. The cowboys and their ilk have a better record for this sort of thing.

galen  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The cowboys and their ilk have a better record for this sort of thing.

Woo!

user-inactivated  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Who said I would ever take either seriously?

galen  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

...Ben didn't say that either?

OB: "Why should we take CA more seriously than TX?"

You: "Because CA has a large economy."

OB: "So does TX. No reason to take CA more seriously than them."

user-inactivated  ·  3005 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah. Well sorry. I'm beyond exhausted these past few weeks so my head is fuzzy as fuxk.

WanderingEng  ·  3004 days ago  ·  link  ·  

When I visit the south, I often wonder if the rural poverty is still a result of the war. I've been to Belfast, too. Seeing the aftermath of war in a first world country seems out of place, but I think it's still there.

user-inactivated  ·  3004 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the fact that the Civil war was over a century ago and that people today are still uneasy at times to talk about it and it's aftermath says a lot. I often wonder if that's how Germany feels about WWII.