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kleinbl00  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: When - And How - Great Movie Narration Works

    Still, even the most anti-narration snob would have to concede that the larger film canon contains some pretty notable exceptions to this rule. The Naked City, A Clockwork Orange, Sunset Boulevard, GoodFellas, Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, The Big Lebowski, The Shawshank Redemption — all use narration, and far from stalling story or characterization, with them it pushes everything forward.

Each and every one of those movies would be greatly improved by a lack of narration.

Narration/voiceover indicates a failure by the creative team to properly communicate the story. ALWAYS. Know why everyone always remembers Quint's speech from Jaws? Because it's fuckin' hardcore yet doesn't convey ANY part of the story. Know why nobody remembers Tom Hanks' speech from Castaway? Because it serves solely to make Tom Hanks the actor happy while absolutely gutting every effort the screenwriter made to convey the story without putting it in Tom Hanks' mouth.

    If a diversity of type speaks anything to the value of a particular storytelling device, then film narrators definitely don’t deserve their bad reputation.

That is a heroically nonsensical sentence.





mk  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wholeheartedly agree. Narration is necessary when you have a problem with your storytelling.

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    ALWAYS

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...

(bwahahahaha..... I'm just completely poking the bear....)

Look - academically - I would agree - Narration is often a tool poorly used to make up for poor storytelling.... but I gotta agree with his Ferris Bueller reference.... I don't think "narration" (if you could really call it that) hurts the film at all. I think it proved a fun, inclusive way of bringing you in on the whole adventure.

I dunno - I don't have super strong feelings about it. Narration usually sucks... but I don't mind it on a rare occasion, in the right way.

kleinbl00  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ferris Bueller doesn't narrate. He breaks the 4th wall. That's a whole 'nuther thing with a tradition going back to Seneca. Characters breaking the 4th wall (a term that goes back to Moliere) occupy an entirely different purpose than narration, which started with the Chorus.

It's also a whole 'nuther can of worms in that the minute you start breaking the 4th wall you're delving into metafiction, for better or worse. Voiceover, on the other hand, is a narrative shortcut.

_refugee_  ·  2721 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is great discussion and thank you. It's about what I suspected but it helps to hear it from people who seem to Know More than I do about what they're talking about. mk steve

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Preach on Brother!

I agree he's breaking the 4th wall... What I can't remember (it's been too long) is if he's actually narrating at any point....

Anyway - time to re-watch...

kleinbl00  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

He's providing asides and insights. It's much in line with what John Hughes did in Breakfast Club - he had Anthony Michael Hall deliver a greek chorus like intro and outtro to cast the players as larger representatives of society. It's very much a "and these children that you spit on as they try to change the world" approach.

None of what follows is relevant to the plot. It's all an aside which exists solely to increase our affinity for Ferris.

user-inactivated  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wasn't the general consensus that Bladerunner went from good to great when they took out the narration?

kleinbl00  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

veen  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

rob05c mk Cards are broken across the site, across browsers and devices for me. (Also, you guys added a preview mode?)

kleinbl00  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  
user-inactivated  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Ridley Scott has now had 30 years to polish his baby and I gotta tell ya - the "Final Cut" is pretty damn confusing still.

And here I thought I was just really dense.

kleinbl00  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fuckers were literally ad-libbing psychobabble on set.

See this asshole?

Ridley Scott loved him as the bartender in The Shining so cast him as Tyrell without so much as making him read a line. Which worked out well for Joe Turkel because he couldn't remember a single line. This is why his dialogue is stilted, stunted, and delivered over the shoulder of whoever he's talking to.

Don't get me wrong - I love Blade Runner. Always will. But it is a quintessential example of reach exceeding grasp and an archetypal flawed masterpiece.

mk  ·  2726 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fixed the card.

The preview button? That's been there for quite some time. :)

mk  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I know the problem, I will fix it. Thanks.