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coffeesp00ns  ·  3133 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: ZH: Coup was staged

Since it happened, and Erdogan came swooping out of the sky to come back to "save his country", I've had suspicions he was involved. Even the western media was reporting that turkish people felt that this coup attempt was weird and different. If it's filtering down to CNN etc... Idunno. It just makes me suspicious, and I'm not your usual conspiracy enthusiast.

I think it's interesting that the PKK came out against the coup as it was happening. the PKK is, as you say, the biggest domestic problem. I wonder if they came out against it not because they didn't want it to succeed, but because they wanted it to be harder for them to be blamed for it if and when it failed.

It's also interesting that the man that Erdogan blamed as organizer is a former ally who now lives in like, Pennsylvania or something. If the US doesn't want to extradite him back to Turkey, it may be used as bargaining chips (or at least, I imagine that would be the idea) - i.e. "you won't give me this man, at least give me the weapons to stabilize my country."

I'm probably overthinking this.





kleinbl00  ·  3133 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the construction matters less than the blowback. Either (A) Erdogan is sly as a fox and set up his own failed coup (B) Erdogan got lucky and stumbled across a larval coup and arranged for it to blow up when he could handle it or (C) Erdogan's opposition is clumsy enough that his opposition didn't put in the work to actually succeed. Regardless, the end result is classic chilling effects Reichstag-ashes martial law bullshit.

George Friedman has said a couple things - the first of which is that there have been rumours of coups swirling about for years, and this is the one that stuck; the second of which is that military coups historically have an extremely high success rate which makes a failed one seem suspicious by default.

I'm no expert on Turkish politics. The impression I get of the PKK - regardless of whether they've earned it or not - is that they want the legitimacy of democratic support. They want the people to support Kurdistan. That gives them a reason to pay lip service to the democratic process. I think. I'm skating on thin ice there and will happily learn of my incorrectness.

The Catskills Cleric angle gives credo to (B) and (C). I kinda get the impression that this was a bigger deal than the Turkish intended, and that sycophancy is replacing counsel within the Turkish government at exactly the time it shouldn't be.

coffeesp00ns  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So, some interesting stuff has happened.

deputy mayor in Istanbul Shot in the Head, in Critical State

Vast Purge in Turkey as Thousands are detained in post-coup backlash including around 13,000 public sector, non military people.

Turkey coup attempt: Risk of Nato suspension as Erdogan's purge intensifies

they're also talking about bringing back the death penalty, which would prevent them from joining the EU.

not bad for 72 hours work?

kleinbl00  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.”

― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

ButterflyEffect  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

...wow. That's an amazing quote if it's something he actually said.

kleinbl00  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a GWAR concert."

- Stalin

It appears the actual quote is

    Only your small-minded German philistine who measures world history by the ell and by what he happens to think are ‘interesting news items’, could regard 20 years as more than a day where major developments of this kind are concerned, though these may be again succeeded by days into which 20 years are compressed.

Marx to Engels, Letters 1863

wasoxygen  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There is also a suspiciously-timed WikiLeaks dump expected today; 300,000 AKP internal e-mails.

Deltron_0  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

source/link?

wasoxygen  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Coming Tuesday: The #ErdoganEmails: 300 thousand internal emails from Erdoğan's AKP - through to July 7, 2016.

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    3:44 PM - 18 Jul 2016

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/755171322288861184

user-inactivated  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

https://wikileaks.org/akp-emails/

It's all Turkish to me, but all the gmail (and hotmail!) addresses and reliance on Google Groups for mailing lists is kind of appalling for a political party anywhere.