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rob05c  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Kleinbl00's black beans and cornbread

    You could use veg stock
thenewgreen Seconded. Especially if you make it yourself, which isn't hard.

You can replace any meat flavoring with another umami source. Some good ones are: garlic, onion, nooch, mushrooms (esp. shiitake), soy sauce.

Half my meals are traditional meat recipes that I've replaced with various umami sources. I find nooch works well for chicken, shiitake for beef.





thenewgreen  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks, I'm aware that I have vegetarian options, I use them all the time though that nooch link was new to me. Thanks. That said, it is no longer this recipe at that point, right?

If you are a vegetarian, then I highly suggest trying these out. Thanks for the tips rob05c!

kleinbl00  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's not so much a recipe as "how to make black beans that taste okay." You will be upsetting no demigods by substituting veg broth for chicken.

rob05c  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right. Thanks for the link, those do sound good.

humanodon  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I took a walk a little earlier and I was thinking: maybe instead of the bacon or chicken wing or whatever, a dried mushroom or two, or maybe a few sun dried tomatoes could work to add flavor as the beans cook. Have you tried cooking beans with either of those by any chance?

Interesting tip on the nooch. I'd never heard of it before, but I had heard vegan friends mention using yeasts to add flavor. I'll give that a try sometime.

rob05c  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Have you tried cooking beans with either of those by any chance?
I have. I like shiitake or baby portobello, with a little soy sauce, with beans or bean soup. Emphasis on little; it's very easy to add too much, and then it tastes like soy sauce, which is awful. White mushrooms also work. They don't have as much umami, but they're cheaper. If it's just beans, not soup, the mushrooms will be much better pan-fried in butter first. Really draws out the flavor. Especially white mushrooms.

    maybe instead of the bacon or chicken wing or whatever, a dried mushroom or two
If I were making that particular recipe, I'd probably sub chopped shiitake for the meats. Or ground. If you figure out how to grind them, let me know, heh.

Sun-dried tomatoes sound good too. Tomatoes are supposed to have umami. I can't really tell; or maybe their own taste overpowers it.

Personally, I feel like nooch, onion, and garlic sub well for chicken. Beef and pork are harder. Shiitake is the best thing I've found.

Nooch is awesome. It's great for chicken/egg/cheese flavoring. I'm a particular fan of this unchicken seasoning recipe.

humanodon  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Very cool. I'm not too familiar with vegan cooking, but I am interested in learning more about it. I hope you'll post a recipe sometime.

rob05c  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for the encouragement. I don't usually create my own recipes. I usually use existing ones, or directly modify meat → umami-vegetable. Or throw random stuff into a stir fry, you know. But if I come up with something that seems original enough, sure, definitely.

If you like, Thug Kitchen is one of my favorite vegan recipe sites. They're usually really good, don't require exotic ingredients, and his presentation is pretty great.

humanodon  ·  3895 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    But if I come up with something that seems original enough, sure, definitely.

Don't discount those little tweaks that come when cooking! I've so often found a pretty solid recipe that needs a bit of tweaking and then before I know it, it's much more personalized than when I started.

That site looks pretty fun, thanks for the link.