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comment by kleinbl00

    Why can't a good employee be a dreamer? Google is keeping what I would imagine is a group filled with dreamers.

On tight leashes. The trade is this: you spend 50-60-70 hours a week doing what we tell you, and we'll give you 5 or 10 every week to work on things we're not telling you to do on the understanding that anything you come up with we own entirely and will derive all direct benefit from.

What does it mean "to dream?" Is your dream to come up with revolutionary software that will change the world? Or is your dream to help GOOGLE come up with revolutionary software that will change the world? 'cuz I guarantee you - Google is not invested in your dream. Google is invested in their dream and it's worth some bread and circuses to trick you into believing that their dream is yours.

My name is on half the civic works in Seattle. Thousands of hours of my life went into them. Blood, sweat, tears. I had a fucking gun pulled on me for a gig, I shit you not. And the only way you would ever know it is if you headed down to City Hall, dug through the blueprints, flipped to my pages, looked up my initials, and inquired with the company that did that work ten years ago who those initials stood for. Same as everyone else on the project. No architect, no civil engineer, no designer gets credit for that shit. NBBJ does. Callison does. Miller Hull does. Me? I was a tiny cog in a vast machine, grinding my bearings down to nothing in service of a juggernaut that didn't give the first shit about me.

And so are you.

Now? Now it's much the same. My name flashes by at light speed if you stick around to watch the credits. But I get to have drambuie in my coffee in the morning, I work all day on my own gear for my own clients, and if I come up with something revolutionary, it's mine.

True story - Steve Wozniak came up with much of the architecture for the Apple 1 while working at HP. under his contract with HP, HP owned everything he came up with. The only reason Apple exists is because HP decided nothing he was working on was of any value to HP.

Google isn't that stupid.

    I'm definitely taking this too literally, because I can't imagine how the vast majority of people are able to do that with how specialized jobs have become.

Why does specialization matter? How much do you have in savings? How much do your friends have in savings? How much do your parents have in savings? I'm not talking retirement funds; retirement funds are the money you've set aside for when you've finally decided you're sick of letting someone else burn your life for money (and you don't have enough anyway). I'm talking actual discretionary cash set aside for expenses that you don't foresee.

What do you do with your tax return? Do you pay down your mortgage? BAM. Wage slavery. do you add it to your retirement fund? BAM. Wage slavery. Do you buy yourself a shiny trinket? BAM. Wage slavery. The purpose of the economy, from a capitalist perspective, is to make sure that every mutherfucking red cent you earn goes back into the economy as shit you buy. Saving is bad for capitalism. When the economy is in dire straits, what do they do? They lower interest rates. Why do they do this? So that saving is disincentivized. Why disincentivize saving? Because your job is to consume, bitch, get on it.

Yeah, it's the rantings of a manic street preacher. But, like all rantings of manic street preachers everywhere, there's a basis in truth.





ButterflyEffect  ·  3706 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    What does it mean "to dream?" Is your dream to come up with revolutionary software that will change the world? Or is your dream to help GOOGLE come up with revolutionary software that will change the world? 'cuz I guarantee you - Google is not invested in your dream. Google is invested in their dream and it's worth some bread and circuses to trick you into believing that their dream is yours.

Based on this it looks there a couple of options for employment:

1. Given multiple opportunities, decide which companies dream you would most like to invest in and help make a reality.

2. Given less opportunities, accept a position which you might not agree with or have interest in bolstering.

3. Say screw it and start your own business or pursue some business venue that you can control.

    ...And so are you.

For the most part. I have an LLC that entirely depends upon people wanting to release music and people caring enough about the music to spend money on it and book the bands and/or see them live. The interesting part is when bands and agents reach out to us to inquire about releasing music on our label or asking about the availability/interest of bands for shows. Then things get fun.

Some of things (mortgage, retirement fund) aren't things that I'm even pursuing yet since I'm still in college, but as for savings I'm trying to save something on the order of 40% of each paycheck of this internship which some weeks I save more and some less but hey, I'm making an effort! I try not to spend my money on things that aren't housing/utilities/transportation/food/concerts. In that aspect most of the concerts funds are under-the-table, ticketmaster and fees free directly into the hands of the bands themselves.

veen  ·  3706 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Interesting perspective, a good reason to work for yourself I think.

While an individual might break loose from this system quite easily, do you see any way for a society to let go of the consumerist economic system? As in, isn't this the best we can do?

kleinbl00  ·  3706 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's not that interesting. It's "Rich Dad Poor Dad." It's "20 Hour Work Week." It's Carleton Sheets. It's Tony whatsisname. It's every get-rich-quick call-to-action ever voiced.

Society is not built to accommodate your dreams. Society is built to keep most people at a subsistence level so that a select few can take advantage of them. Most people are too busy doing their thing to care - it's not like a white picket fence, two happy kids and a Camaro in the driveway is a loathsome dream. However it's important to note that society is fundamentally arranged around satisfaction not fulfillment.

veen  ·  3706 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    However it's important to note that society is fundamentally arranged around satisfaction not fulfillment.

My question then becomes, manic street preacher, is there a way that we can change society to an arrangement that will lead to fulfillment for the majority or is it the tragedy of the commons?

kleinbl00  ·  3706 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Tragedy of the commons" is when everyone exploits a common resource in a rational way that depletes the common resource irrationally. The classic example is over-grazing of shared pasture.

Really, "take care o'you" is the response. Make sure that what you're doing makes you happy, makes you fulfilled, and don't worry so much about "society." Dark Ages Europe had a "society" after all and it really only benefitted the landed gentry.

_refugee_  ·  3706 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Tony Montana?

kleinbl00  ·  3706 days ago  ·  link  ·