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Hubski Update: Expansion of ignoring
hubski 863 days ago  ·  shared by 36
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This is an update that has been discussed in the community for some time. Starting today, users that you ignore cannot comment on your posts.

This is a simple update with significant consequences.

I’d be more than happy to discuss details, and the rationale behind this update below.

In addition to this change, submissions with duplicate URLs can now be made. However, you will be notified that a duplicate exists before you submit.

As always, feedback is much appreciated.



Laurelai 863 days ago   ·   link

Oh thank you.

notseamus 863 days ago   ·   link

[this user has been ignored]

Laurelai 863 days ago   ·   link

huh? I have you followed, not ignored.

notseamus 863 days ago   ·   link

hah it was just a joke!

Laurelai 863 days ago   ·   link

oh lol

canadiandane 863 days ago   ·   link

It seems suspicious that there are no replies to this comment...

syncretic 863 days ago   ·   link

This single change is right up there with removing the ability to follow tags in terms of the positive effect it will have on the user experience. One of the things I hated most about my experience on reddit is the power that internet stalkers could have on my submissions & comments. People tend to give moderators a lot of hate on reddit, and the reddit admins have been of very little help in that regard, which is one of the (numerous) reasons I deleted my reddit account in the first place. I think this is another step in the right direction that will keep hubski on the path of success.

I cannot thank you enough, mk.

dublinben 861 days ago   ·   link

Since when can you no longer follow tags? I've been unsuccessfully trying to add more for a while now.

thenewgreen 861 days ago   ·   link

Here is the update dublinben. I think many of the questions/reasoning are answered in the thread there.

dublinben 861 days ago   ·   link

Thanks a lot. I guess I wasn't here that day. I'm still impressed how much things are changing here.

Wintermute 863 days ago   ·   link
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littlebirdie 863 days ago   ·   link

I have no idea how you folks do these things, but they are appreciated. It feels like real magic! thank you!

: waits to see if my comment shows up on this thread, ha ha :

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

Thanks littlebirdie. You will know beforehand. :)

The reply or comment link is removed, and you see 'ignored here' instead.

In a perfect world, stuff like this wouldn't be necessary, but for better and worse, it's not a perfect world.

ButterflyEffect 863 days ago   ·   link

Seriously mk, it's amazing how quick you've been implementing new features and testing out different ways for people to discover new content. Do you ever sleep?

Also, I love this one.

mk 862 days ago   ·   link

Thanks. I appreciate it.

    Do you ever sleep?

Not enough lately.

b_b 863 days ago   ·   link

Haha. I wouldn't worry too much. This feature was definitely not invented for you.

Pharnaces 863 days ago   ·   link
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rozap 863 days ago   ·   link

Doesn't matter much now with the expanded ignoring powers. I welcome this update, I think it will smother the trolls. I do, however, wonder if it will limit the heterogeneity of opinions.

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

    I do, however, wonder if it will limit the heterogeneity of opinions.

That's one of the biggest possible negatives in my mind too. However, there are other ways to get people fresh content and opinions. But, we might have to make an extra effort at it now.

matdesigner 863 days ago   ·   link

I don't think that's really an issue you should be addressing. You've already fundamentally shifted the paradigm from a tag-centric browsing to a person-centric browsing. Heterogeneity of opinion comes with following people with a variety of opinions. And the freedom to curate your own content according to your own ideas about what/who is appropriate for you is much more powerful and welcome than the heavy-handed "heterogeneity is important"

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

Don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about pushing content with the intent to mix things up.

I just think we can do things that can take a person's sphere into account when suggesting content in the future. For example, today we removed the ability to have some global posts filter into your feed. (With the new global posts, it became much less useful) However, I can imagine replacing that function with a better optional feed, where you can toggle just how far out from your following/sharing circle the posts come from.

matdesigner 863 days ago   ·   link

that sounds like a useful feature.

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

I've got a big 'to do' list. :/

matdesigner 863 days ago   ·   link

feature requests are good signs! once you've crossed the threshold to feature requests from bug reports you know you're doing well! :D

I asked yesterday but not sure how much you've thought about it, but have you thought about setting up issue tracking software that's community facing? Trac, Github issue tracking, Jira, Redmine, etc. Could be a good idea especially if you're interested in community feedback or visibility in terms of what's in active development. It would also free up some of the meta clutter on #bugski or #hubski.

thomasbaart 861 days ago   ·   link

    feature requests are good signs! once you've crossed the threshold to feature requests from bug reports you know you're doing well! :D

As an aspiring developer, I'll certainly keep this in mind!

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

Thanks.

    By the way, I'm curious how the admins of hubski feel about the migration of SRSisters here.

Personally, I'm not too interested in most of the SRS stuff.

Mostly I am just concerned with people getting the kind of experience that we are working to support: thoughtful conversations. The web has plenty of support for interactions of the SRS nature, and that's not a bad thing. It's just not what I worry about supporting here. I have always assumed that there will be a diversity of interactions on Hubski, and to some extent that's out of my hands. But my focus is on a kind of engagement that I think is rarer and difficult to find.

I'm sure many of the SRS folk are probably game for that too.

matdesigner 863 days ago   ·   link

As a fairly well-known SRSer, I can tell you that most of us are extremely interested in well-thought out content focused on feminism, critical race theory, post-colonialism, queer theory, anarchism, politics.

SRSPrime, as the only forum that most people know about w.r.t the fempire is really only a place to let off steam as a reaction to browsing the rest of the ignorant internet.

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

    As a fairly well-known SRSer, I can tell you that most of us are extremely interested in well-thought out content focused on feminism, critical race theory, post-colonialism, queer theory, anarchism, politics.

As are many hubskiers. I am well aware of the range of the content. Like I said, I expect many SRSers are up for indepth thoughtful discourse. But, a lot of the other stuff is lost on most, so the full experience will likely be limited to subset of users.

Pharnaces 863 days ago   ·   link

Most SRSers are up for thoughtful discourse, if you agree with them. They're very well known on Reddit for invading other subreddits, screaming their ideology, and then ignoring (instead of refuting) anyone who brings up any counterpoints. Maybe hubski will rub off on the current migrants and we'll see them actually participate in thoughtful debate, instead of just "debate," but just be warned that they aren't known for being cooperative.

Tumbledown 863 days ago   ·   link

As a fellow longtime SRS'er, one of the main things that drove me to Hubski was the fact that people can have discourse about these topics without meaningless internet points getting in the way.

Plus, now I can block shitlord-y tags, should they pop up.

steve 863 days ago   ·   link

Nice. Thanks!

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

Np. Sorry for the bumpy roll out.

thenewgreen 863 days ago   ·   link

Nice work mk.

When you ignore a user or a tag does it remove them from the global feed(s) as well?

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

It does for you, yes. I need to update the FAQ.

Wintermute 863 days ago   ·   link

    In addition to this change, submissions with duplicate URLs can now be made. However, you will be notified that a duplicate exists before you submit.

Glad to see this. I'm always careful to search before submitting, so this will save a step.

ooli 863 days ago   ·   link

I cant wait to ignore mk and spam bug post

krisc 863 days ago   ·   link

This is a much appreciated feature. One of my gripes with hubski lately has been seeing posts/comments from people I have on ignore. This will help tremendously. Thanks!

mhr 863 days ago   ·   link

mk, why did you decide to make duplicate submissions possible?

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

That way if someone posted a link but ignored you, you have the option to start an alternate thread about that link. It doesn't seem fair that people could do that, and I don't want users fighting to post a url first.

mhr 862 days ago   ·   link

Yet if you've ignored them, you wouldn't be interested in that kind of post anyway...right? I'm not sure if allowing that is the best idea because of the repost disaster taking place over at reddit.

minimum_wage 863 days ago   ·   link

Does it notify an ignored person when they attempt to reply, or is it silent like a shadowban?

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

It's pretty clear. The reply/comment links are replaced with 'ignored here'.

minimum_wage 863 days ago   ·   link

If you're going to do that, you might as well href to the account creation page, because that is the next step for an ignored troll.

Also, some of the people I have ignored are not trolls, and ignoring them has potential social consequences.

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

:) Yeah, I've thought of that. I just prefer not to implement functions unless it's clear there's a need.

If need be, I'll address that.

    Also, some of the people I have ignored are not trolls, and ignoring them has potential social consequences.

It's not always a clear decision. I understand that.

minimum_wage 863 days ago   ·   link

A third reason: Ignored people might still have productive discussions underneath someone who doesn't want to hear it, and it could be beneficial of they were still allowed to post, and it was still visible to others who are browsing the thread.

I really can't think of a good reason not to provide true "ignore" functionality rather than blocking ignored users from posting.

edit: also, i just realized that ignore lists are public. you certainly have an interesting approach to this. why do you hate the beatles?

thenewgreen 863 days ago   ·   link

    why do you hate the beatles?
Exactly! Why?? I've been wondering for years but I'm afraid he is firmly set in his ways.
mk 863 days ago   ·   link

Or maybe just madness. I removed the public list for the time being. :/

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

    edit: also, i just realized that ignore lists are public. you certainly have an interesting approach to this.

Method to my madness, I tell you.

    why do you hate the beatles?

I'm pretty sure it's neurological. Sometimes I enjoy an arbitrary bias, but with the Beatles it just came naturally. I've just never felt it.

mk 863 days ago   ·   link

It was something that I considered. But at least for now, I want to let users decide and to keep it in the open. We will see how it plays out.

guybrush 863 days ago   ·   link

It is always welcoming to see changes implemented at such speed and I welcome it. I think it will improve the experience. However, one thought comes to me. If you are engaged in open debate a quick way to 'shut down' the debate would be to ignore the other user, if I understand correctly. This won't matter to people that enjoy and welcome other opinions and debate. However, it could be exploited by trolls.



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