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rezzeJ  ·  19 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Wait, are we doing it wrong? [Potential major Hubski experiment]

I dislike it. I think it makes things more complex. And in the history of attracting users and improving their experience on a website, the answer has rarely been: "let's make things more obscure and add more option toggles." Not to mention, if you need to introduce a core piece of functionality with the option to turn it off, it's probably not the right direction.

You say that people have complained to you that comments are tiring. Isn’t that just a consequence of ‘thoughtful discussion’? Thoughtful discussion demands time, effort and the willingness to be open to and understanding of other views. And sometimes it requires you to look at yourself and reassess what you thought and believed. Sounds tiring to me. But that doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile.

So it seems to me that by introducing this functionality, you’re trying to open up spaces where people can more casually chat without the worry of being called out. That’s fair. But the solution to that has little to do with governing the way we share posts and comments. Instead, it’s about increasing the amount of content on the site that offers those opportunities. That either has to come from the existing user base or new users. I do not believe that this experiment will address that. All it does is risk segregating an already small community.

Also, I agree with kb. My suggestion for any immediate change would 100% be the UI. I've complained about it before, but it literally goes against a lot of the most basic contemporary UX guidelines. I inject over 100 lines of custom CSS just to make this place look okay. That's not right. Those of you older than me who grew up at the beginnings of the internet may think it's not that bad. But bad web design will absolutely drive newer generation users away before they even look at the content. And if users view the design of a website negatively, that will tinge their experience of the content. I mean, default Hubski is 9pt body text and 30 words per line (though the latter differs based on display size). That is egregious. Not to mention that it defies basic web accessibility standards.





thenewgreen  ·  19 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Awesome feedback!

    I inject over 100 lines of custom CSS just to make this place look okay.
Would you mind sharing a screen shot of what your version of Hubski looks like it how it is improved by your measure? TIA!
rezzeJ  ·  19 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  

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Feed

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1. Increase font size to improve readability

2. Increase spacing between elements to improve readability

3. Domain and tag information moved over to the right to unclutter the left side of small text

4. Increased margins on main div to focus information into the centre as it stretches wide on larger displays

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Posts

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1. Increase title and body font sizes to improve readability

2. Increase spacing between paragraphs to improve readability

3. Limit body text div so it averages around ~15 words per line. This makes it easier to track writing line-to-line and maintain focus

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Comments

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1. Similar font and div size adjustments to posts

2. Increase spacing between comments to let them breathe more

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Chat

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1) Import modern font and force it to override retro font

2) Reduce main div width and centre it to focus information

3) Increase font sizes to improve readability.

4) Increase spacing between messages so it doesn't look like one massive block of text

5) Move usernames and timestamp above the message. This gives separation between the username and the message and unclutters the start of the message.

kleinbl00  ·  18 days ago  ·  link  ·  

ZOMG mk make this a theme

rezzeJ  ·  18 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I use the Stylus extension to inject the CSS. It is available for both Chromium and Firefox browsers.

Here's a pastebin of the code to import. It's fully commented, so you can edit it to taste.

Devac  ·  18 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hot damn, the chat also looks amazing!

Thank you for sharing it.

kleinbl00  ·  18 days ago  ·  link  ·  

d00000000000000d

rezzeJ  ·  18 days ago  ·  link  ·  

OftenBen  ·  15 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ok Darkmode rezzeJ mode is bestmode f'real.

Thanks boss.

mk  ·  16 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm cool with adding a rezzeJ theme if you are.

rezzeJ  ·  16 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'd be honoured.

Stylus lets you target styles to specific URLs, which you can't do in pure CSS. So I'll create a version that works without that. I'll also make sure it doesn't break the mobile styles as it's only aimed at desktop at the moment.

Would it make sense for it to be an optional 'modifier' to the user selected style? That way the user can still choose their own colours.

mk  ·  16 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I’d like to host it, so probably the easiest would be to just send me the modifications, and I’ll make new stylesheets with those changes. Maybe I can base on clean and dark, for rezzeJ day, rezzeJ night.

thenewgreen  ·  16 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Awesime! thank you rezzeJ! mk, did you see this?