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hootsbox  ·  4182 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Well Said George

Because there are "true academics" and those who use their position to impose their own "worldview" (in violation of "higher education") on those unsuspecting younger folks who take their word as "gospel' and don't research the "roots" of what they are saying! If they do, they are usually "belilttled" for their views - more to come later!





ButterflyEffect  ·  4182 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Woah. I don't know what you're talking about in saying that younger folks take professors and academics word as gospel. Numerous times I have personally been taught a way to approach a problem, but either delved deeper into the issue myself or asked the professor why it's done that way. In more than one instance mistakes have been found and corrected, which could only have been done through this skepticism. Mind you that this is Engineering where there usually isn't too much leeway or room for interpretation. I'm sure it's even more interesting in softer sciences. I can assure you that all of my classmates have done the same with asking and challenging our professors and faculty, along with other Engineering students that I know.

Nor have any of us ever been belittled for having a different view, being of a different ethnicity, or anything in between. If anything, as thenewgreen said, you're looked upon in a good light for doing so (within a reasonable limit). That said, some of my...debates...with administration and faculty have got heated but never to the point of belittling each other. It appears as though you have had very different experiences than myself.

thenewgreen  ·  4182 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I attended two different universities and I never encountered professors belittling people for having a dissenting opinion. If anything, I found that students that challenged assumptions were more often than not, favorites of the professors.

Have you personally experienced this?

edit: I also don't think you give young college students enough credit. Most young adults have a finer-tuned bullshit detector than most adults. If a professor is passing off opinion as fact, most students will pick up on it.

lil  ·  4172 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Just came across this discussion while looking through the "rant" tag. Hubski is so much fun.

re are students allowed to have dissenting opinions? (A conversation worth taking to the greater community - do you think?) Anyway, I've taken to beginning classes by putting my underlying assumption on the table. On Wednesday I ran a workshop on communicating nondefensively. My underlying assumption was this: in any disagreement, your initial response can make the conflict WAY worse quite quickly and shut down productive communication or your initial response can open the possibility of further communication. I asked the class if they agreed with that premise. When it seemed they had bought into that assumption, I continued.

I think I'll do this more often....of course it requires examining my underlying assumptions.

I think, though, the above is probably the underlying assumption of all my workshops.

cliffelam  ·  4181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I attended two different Uni's as well and it was clear to me on day one of each which professors were spouting "received wisdom" and which wanted to engage.

Remind me someday to tell you about the "history of conquest in the new world" class with the avowedly Marxist prof. Great class but don't cross the prof vibe. On the upside there was Tequila at the end of class party.

-XC

hootsbox  ·  4170 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do tell! (The digest version if you can).

cliffelam  ·  4169 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, like many prof's the root of all evil was white european men. Arguable when you're talking about the conquest of the new world one can draw that as a conclusion. Anyway, this guy was a throwback hard drinking heavy smoking tenured prof in his early 40's who was busily working his way through the female graduate student body.

It was a neat class - he was a dynamic speaker, really knew the history, and didn't mind if you didn't agree wiht his interpretation as long as you were cogent. I didn't mind his rank communism.

I heard later he married a gal whose family had been early Wal*Mart investors. Irony is tasty as a main dish.

-XC