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thenewgreen  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: This is why Obama can’t make a deal with Republicans

Tangential to the conversation but...

    What they have now that they didn't have then is a giant, international media machine on their side.

Do you think right wing media does better when there is a DEM in office? I would wager that they do. I often wonder if Murdoch doesn't see Obama as a much better vehicle by which to sell copy. So long as he is in office, I'm guessing FOX and the like are far more appealing to watch. Same with MSNBC, when Bush was in office my guess is that they were watched more, peoples passions are inflamed when the other is in office, not when your guy is.





b_b  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It makes sense, but I'm not sure the numbers support it. FOX had their peak during Bush's second term, I believe. Their ratings have been dropping recently. I don't know the reason, but I like to think that some of their audience are getting wise and some are dying of old age and type II diabetes.

cliffelam  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"I like to think that some of their audience are getting wise and some are dying of old age and type II diabetes."

That's nice.

-XC

b_b  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not prejudiced. Some of my best friends are Fox news viewers.

thenewgreen  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm just guessing here, but perhaps they're cannibalizing their own audience? There is so much conservative radio etc these days.

b_b  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think its more likely that they have alienated the part of their audience who had at least a semblance of a functioning cerebral cortex. My guess is their average viewer is more conservative now, because that's all they have left.

cliffelam  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"audience who had at least a semblance of a functioning cerebral cortex"

That's a bit nicer.

=XC

b_b  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Nicer than saying they're dying of old age and type II diabetes? I kid the Fox news viewers. But really, I'll never understand why anyone willingly subjects themselves to that level of propaganda. Maybe there's no such thing as unbiased reporting, but they're on a plain all by themselves.

cliffelam  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do you find Rachel Maddow much different from Bill O'reilly?

I only see them in waiting rooms, bars, and quick oil change shops and they both raise a rash, but, for well educated people, well, jebus.

-XC

cgod  ·  4329 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Rachel Maddow is easily as full of shit as anyone.

Fox is more full of shit then any other domestic network.

b_b  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No. You couldn't pay me to watch MSNBC. Well educated has nothing to do with it. My gf loves Rachel Maddow and she always says, "She's a Rhodes scholar." To which I say, "Who gives a shit? O'Reilly went to the Kennedy School, so its a wash." Neither cares about 'truth', which is what interests me, even if I can't really define it myself.

cliffelam  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So why not make fun of MSNBC viewers? I'm sure they could use "some kidding." Their political commentary is at least as far left as Fox's is right.

-XC

b_b  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

MSNBC has a strong ideological bent. Fox News is straight up laughable with their level of ridiculousness. For example, you would never see an MSNBC reporter literally reading Democratic talking points on air. Plus MSNBC is a small fish compared to Fox so they aren't that dangerous to begin with.

Edit: And admittedly I'm exposed to a lot more of Fox ridiculousness because I watch Jon Stewart and Colbert.